Dear warriors, sincerely healers

[Hanaya]

You're basically there to fix mistakes. I've never done an Ultimate or relevant Savage encounter, yet oddly enough, the times that my kit has been pushed to its limits, has almost always been in casual content. Particularly in DF and Alliance Raids. Learning parties in PF are also fantastic arenas for healers to utilize their kits.

Skilled players don't really need healers that much. Your run of the mill casual player however, is a much different story. Tanks can sustain themselves, and help out another player or two. But no role can salvage a run gone bad like a healer. They have the ability to totally swing things back in the favor of the party when a wipe is certain. Healers can't really save runs in the same fashion for Savage and Ultimate's because if that many players are screwing up, the DPS will not be high enough to prevent enrage.


That's not going to fix anything. You will still burn through whatever rotation this is, and end up right back to filler spam. Healers will never be given anything as involved as a DPS job's rotation, and since you DPS for 80-90% of the encounter, that window is just too large for healers to not end up at the filler spell very quickly. My suggestion is to get them more involved with their job gauges. Particularly SCH and WHM who have passive job gauges, with SCH being the worst off having just one very niche skill tied to the gauge.

Dps checks in savage and ultimate have felt honestly pretty lenient to me? I've been able to pretty reliably clear most savage fights with upwards of 5-6 deaths, and later in the tier like 10+ deaths lol. And for ultimates, I haven't done all of them, but in ucob you can just chain die in at least twin and nael and still clear before the enrage cast even starts. Adds + golden bahamut are nicer where it's more like 2-3 deaths, but that was even with me doing absolutely garbage dps lol.

I'm willing to admit that I'm probably coming at this from a pretty different perspective from the average player though, and have probably just been getting very lucky in my pfs since endwalker dropped, I guess? I like to join learning parties just to help out people, though, and I've still felt like the fights are super lenient in regards to healing. I've solo healed both a couple of times, and especially ex1 felt wayy too easy.

But, y'know, if a big majority of the playerbase is happy with healers as they are, then I'm fine with it. I do understand that if I'm in a minority of players, the devs shouldn't be trying to cater to me. I'll just play other classes lol

edit: but also, I feel like I've seen 3+ threads in the healer forum complaining about this exact thing? I really do feel like a lot of healer players have been complaining about how the class works recently (and I also saw a fair amount of posts in shb too).

[jamjeeshoul77]

Well I can definitely heal my way out of a wet paper bag. I’m a decent healer, if I have things to heal…and I frequently find myself without ppl to heal thanks to lightspeed reaction time warrior players, or god forbid a clemency spammer XD don’t see many of those anymore though thank goodness

I used to enjoy running later expac 4 man dungeons just for the fun of it because I didn’t have to compete with a co-healer in trials/normal modes to heal stuff. Yes I know a good healer understands you don’t “compete” with your cohealer, but work together, and that’s definitely how it works in Savages but not for anything else. Even extremes can be solo healed nowadays.

Bingo!! I think I may give solo healing extremes a go. Might make me uncomfortably nervous but that would pose a good healing challenge I think!

[HyoMinPark]

Even extremes can be solo healed nowadays.

Bingo!! I think I may give solo healing extremes a go. Might make me uncomfortably nervous but that would pose a good healing challenge I think!

Current extremes don’t even need a healer, tbh.

[jamjeeshoul77]

Well that’s disappointing. Even with a regular comp that isn’t designed for not having a healer? What about Styx or the bleed attack? Or the adds phase during ex 1

[Slayer25c]

It ok warrior will be neft

[HyoMinPark]

Well that’s disappointing. Even with a regular comp that isn’t designed for not having a healer? What about Styx or the bleed attack? Or the adds phase during ex 1

Comps I’ve seen that handle these usually have DNC and RPR in them. Between Curing Waltz, the new Improv regen, and doing mitigation such as Shield Samba combined with a tank mitigation, the bleed barely tickles. RPR bring Arcane Crest, which is basically Whispering Dawn. WAR is brought for SiO’s regen because why not also throw that in there for extra trivialization.

My static with our standard comp do a tank mitigation, Samba, and I’ll use Kerachole. We barely have to do much healing between the AOE mitigation handling the bleed ticks, and the HoT from Kerachole doing its job. When my co-healer went WHM, she asked me not to even put Kerachole there and instead let Lilybell handle it, but the bleed tickled otherwise.

For the 89 EX, you should be killing her before you ever reach her stack mechanic if you are running 2 tanks and 6 DPS. So it won’t be an issue in her fight.

[Sylve]

Nah I appreciate this. As both a healer and as that DPS that suffers because some healers can’t heal their way out of a wet paper bag. I’m always appreciative of a WAR that throws Nascent on me or anyone else.

Sincerely, a healer main.

Clearly they're failing the DPS check on the bag by wasting too many GCDs healing :P

[MagiusNecros]

Warriors can heal the party better then most healers right now. I see no reason for them to stop. Especially if White Mages can show you what being a Glare Mage is all about.

Edit: You made a Warrior topic and you want them to calm down? You can't tame the beast.

[Shibi]

Somehow I think Warriors have an upcoming meeting with the Nerf bat.

[Jybril]

Warriors can heal the party better then most healers right now. I see no reason for them to stop. Especially if White Mages can show you what being a Glare Mage is all about.

Genuine question: You honestly don't see anything wrong with a tank outhealing a healer?