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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lammas View Post
    I mean, that's kinda the point. People are complaining about DRK dungeon heals when you've got abyssal up for every mob group and can put up a 25 % shield every 15 seconds.
    There hasn't been a problem with DRK survivability in dungeons since day 1 but for some reason people just can't shut up about it.
    Because if DPS are bad, the DRK runs out of mitigation before the enemies die. If the healer is bad, the DRK has no way to sustain themselves enough to make up for it.

    If you're on WAR, Bloodwhetting and Equilibrium help massively for this.
    If you're on PLD, Holy Circle, emergency Clemency, Holy Shelltron help with this.
    If you're on GNB, Aurura, HoC help with this.
    If you're on DRK, you only have Abyssal Drain, then nothing.

    That's the main complaint, that when things get bad, DRK has no way to keep itself afloat compared to the other tanks. Not even its "invuln" can buy time, since it's the one that punishes you the worst since you need a healer to full heal you.
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    Lammas's Avatar
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    Combo Lammas
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    Omega
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    Fisher Lv 100
    WAR dungeon healing is out of control as usual and PLD has always had clemency to pick up a bad run where the healer dies but GNB is not gonna be staying alive without healer any better than DRK is and for some reason nobody seems to have a problem with that.
    Saying it's abyssal and then nothing is a bit dishonest since you're completely ignoring TBN which in a mob pull is effectively healing you for 25 % of your max health every 15 seconds. Hell, you can even use it on bosses; it's a hit on your DPS but so is clemency. I really wouldn't want to make the baseline for viability around the ability to carry people who don't know how to play the game though. I haven't had a single trouble with DRK wall to walling in EW dungeons, neither leveling nor expert, and as the graph above shows there's nothing particularly wrong with DRK dungeon heals. I will admit though that I haven't ran expert for a couple of weeks since I've had no reason to and I'd imagine a lot of good players have not been in that roulette for a while since there's nothing to gain from it until the patch tomorrow when I expect it'll get better than whatever is going on in there right now.

    Hell, I think later I'm gonna ask the healers I know if they've noticed any tank other than WAR standing out in any way in EW dungeons and couple that with a question of if they've noticed any tank having a higher chance that who ever is piloting them is not mitigating properly or is otherwise playing badly.
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    DRK's healing score is inflated by dungeon bosses, with their single target rotation healing vs. PLD blocking and GNB shielding. Unless the encounter is dragging on over a minute no way is DRK getting more than a 1200-1800 potency heal, while PLD is at 1600 just from Requiescat.

    Or I'd like to hear where the heck their healing is coming from otherwise, other than maybe comparatively from 99% of PLD players sucking at utilizing their defensive kit.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 01-03-2022 at 05:41 PM.

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    Fisher Lv 100
    Shields count as healing for that one, which is fair since as long as the shields break and the heals don't overheal you're basically looking at the same effect. Stackable additive health that doesn't suffer from diminishing returns like stacking mitigations on top of each other does. So most of that healing is coming from TBN. For the record GNB brutal shell would show up on that graph.

    As for Requiscat, if we are looking at the healing capability overall going full clemency would be 5000. Considering were looking at 95th percentile of dungeon healing there's likely clemencies in there and yet DRK is higher than PLD. Of course it's not a direct translation of how it works as DRK would die without a healer and a PLD might live. Just trying to point out that 95th percentile there's probably some clemency in there (and to be fair might also be some Soul eater in packs in there). Yet just through the power of TBN and AD DRK is very much at the same weight class as PLD and GNB when it comes to dungeon healing/shielding in overall throughput.

    Here's another graph
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