How is this fair for DRK?

[Miziliti]

I got all 4 tank jobs to at least lvl 82 to see if my dungeon leveling can be smoother. DRK is such a disaster that I lost my interest in leveling for now.

PLD Holy Sheltron: 15% damage mitigation + regen


WAR Bloodwhetting: 10% damage mitigation + heal on hit + shield + short cd (25s)


GNB Heart of Corundum: 15% damage mitigation + heal when below 50% hp + short cd (25s)


DRK Oblation: 10% damage mitigation and that's it and it has long ass cd (60s) which is entirely inferior than what the others got.

2 charges makes no difference. Can't even pair with other defense cooldown because they are all mitigations that cannot stack. If Rampart or Shadow Wall can't save me, then this thing is even more useless then TBN.


All except DRK feels stronger and more tanky when I compare my dungeon runs with lvl 81 and lvl 82. DRK still feels the same and painful. Abyssal Drain cd is so long and weak cure potency doesn't really help in dire situation. Not to mention Living Dead makes no difference when I'm about to die in most situations. Many DRK turned a blind eye on the LD problems for many years, and DRK continued to get something so shi/tty.

[Kalaam]

Some would say that the actual short CD is TBN and that's it's just as strong. And they'd be right that this is the skill that should be compared to HS, Blood and HoC, but it isn't as strong anymore.

I assume the idea would be that Oblation is a buff to TBN that you choose or not to apply so you can control wether or not TBN will pop from an attack. But it's honestly quite clunky and not that strong.

Personnaly I'd love for Oblation to be a TBN+ that turns it into a 25% Shield that reapplies after breaking, decreasing by 5% each time, granting several dark arts.
And while at it, make Shadowbringer Flood of Shadow upgraded when under dark arts. That'd likely work better.

[Undeadfire]

Holy Sheltron/Intervention isn't as powerful as they are made out to be, you have to keep their buff rolling not by choice in many situations, because of points gains, the ability isn't free, and you need the second one for the busters. Paladin has always generally lacked self mitigation, it's perfectly fair. Reqs healing? Not by choice, Paladin has a forced rotation requiring. Out of more player throughs, Gunbreaker is shown to be a better main tank, it's only bad at positioning bosses.

HOC is a strong ability, a short mitigation and only gets proper value if the target falls below 50% HP, but it is stronger than TBN, Gunbreaker has a lot of cooldowns.

Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash are extremely powerful abilities, which I would no doubt these two will get healing nerfed, they're basically I don't need a Healer when active, Thrill of Battle adds more boost to them. Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash can be popped whenever you need it without drawbacks.

TBN is intended to soak a heavy attack, that's what it's designed for, but I do agree the punishment needs to go with an increased cooldown. You can't have Oblation operate closely to the other 3, and have TBN, that's incredibly overpowered.

[Xiaoki]

25 seconds isn't a short cool down compared to TBNs 15 second cool down.

Also, TBN has a much shorter cool down compared to the other tank defensives because it has a cost.

This is Balancing 101, very basic stuff. And yet, it flies over the heads of pretty much everyone on this forum.

[Kalaam]

The shorter cooldown doesn't do much, the time between the tankbusters and moments when you need that mitigation is moreso balanced around the 25s of the other short CDs.
Even if as you said, the cost in MP was to offset the shorter recast, the ability itself isn't all that interresting anymore.

[Xiaoki]

The shorter cooldown doesn't do much, the time between the tankbusters and moments when you need that mitigation is moreso balanced around the 25s of the other short CDs.
Even if as you said, the cost in MP was to offset the shorter recast, the ability itself isn't all that interresting anymore.

There are other uses for TBN that just tank busters, uses that do come more frequently.

[Undeadfire]

There are other uses for TBN that just tank busters, uses that do come more frequently.

Specially week 1 Savage, and prog new Ultimates.

[RyuDragnier]

Holy Sheltron/Intervention isn't as powerful as they are made out to be, you have to keep their buff rolling not by choice in many situations, because of points gains, the ability isn't free, and you need the second one for the busters. Paladin has always generally lacked self mitigation, it's perfectly fair. Reqs healing? Not by choice, Paladin has a forced rotation requiring. Out of more player throughs, Gunbreaker is shown to be a better main tank, it's only bad at positioning bosses.

HOC is a strong ability, a short mitigation and only gets proper value if the target falls below 50% HP, but it is stronger than TBN, Gunbreaker has a lot of cooldowns.

Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash are extremely powerful abilities, which I would no doubt these two will get healing nerfed, they're basically I don't need a Healer when active, Thrill of Battle adds more boost to them. Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash can be popped whenever you need it without drawbacks.

TBN is intended to soak a heavy attack, that's what it's designed for, but I do agree the punishment needs to go. You can't have Oblation operate closely to the other 3, and have TBN, that's incredibly overpowered.

Which is why Oblation should never have been the 82 move. It should have replaced Dark Mind completely (while being 15% mitigation instead of 10%) in order to remove a conditional cooldown for a usable one. 82 should have been an upgrade to TBN that gave it a burst heal should it break, and a small heal should it not. This would bring it in line with the other upgrades and make it so TBN can help keep you going even if it breaks quickly. Personally though, TBN really should just be 25s with no MP cost, and no free usage of Edge/Flood. Bring it in line with the other tank cooldowns.

[Crater]

Other people are correct; TBN by itself is comparable in strength to the upgraded skills the other tanks get at 82; Oblation is functionally the companion skill that upgrades TBN, so it doesn't need to be (and really shouldn't be) as strong as the other upgrades.

That said, it's probably a touch too weak. If it got a slight bump in mitigation power, it'd be fine. If it got a slight reduction in cooldown but kept the same mitigation power, it'd be fine. There's no cosmic injustice being dealt to DRK here, but it just doesn't feel relevant in most fights.

Which is why Oblation should never have been the 82 move. It should have replaced Dark Mind completely (while being 15% mitigation instead of 10%) in order to remove a conditional cooldown for a usable one. 82 should have been an upgrade to TBN that gave it a burst heal should it break, and a small heal should it not. This would bring it in line with the other upgrades and make it so TBN can help keep you going even if it breaks quickly. Personally though, TBN really should just be 25s with no MP cost, and no free usage of Edge/Flood. Bring it in line with the other tank cooldowns.

These are all straight nerfs that objectively, literally make Dark Knight a worse class, on top of explicitly calling for further homogenization when the game already feels like grasping at straws to find any practical difference from one tank to another within the role. Absolutely no to all of this.

If this is what you want out of a tanking class, there are three out of four tanks in the game that are specifically catered to your tastes. Please stop trying to take away the one (1) single solitary tank that still has some vestiges of gameplay in it catered to people who do not share your tastes.

[ForteNightshade]

Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash are extremely powerful abilities, which I would no doubt these two will get healing nerfed, they're basically I don't need a Healer when active, Thrill of Battle adds more boost to them. Bloodwhetting/Nascent Flash can be popped whenever you need it without drawbacks.

Bloodwhetting is only a problem in dungeons because of how comically undertuned they are. At most, they could slap a fall off effect on multi-targets so it isn't so insanely ahead of the other tanks. Otherwise, a wholesale nerf to Bloodwhetting would completely kill the one niche Warrior has over Gunbreaker highend content.