Not a technical issue necessarily, but would like a decision revoked

[Michieltjuhh]

I don't know where to post this otherwise so here goes. I made a ticket about this in-game as well but placed it under bug reports since I can't find an appropriate option. I'll copy & paste:

Not a technical issue, but I genuinely don't know where else to ask. I joined a party for Phoinix Savage today (P3S as people call it, the third boss of Pandaemonium) before clearing the first two again. It asked me if I was okay with forfeiting looting rights. To avoid being rude by leaving the party I accepted, thinking it'd only be for the third boss. Instead, it revoked my looting rights for the first two bosses. I humbly ask to have my looting rights restored for the first two bosses this week. If revoking them from the third boss is the result (we did not end up clearing the boss), then so be it, as that's what I thought I accepted, but I had no idea it'd revoke looting rights from the first two.

■Date & Time: 11/01/2022, 1:30 P.M. ST (Chaos datacenter), 2:30ish P.M. LT
■World name: Louisoix
■Character name: Lanaya Visili
■Monster name: Phoinix (Savage)
■In-game time: 1:30 P.M. ST (Chaos datacenter), 2:30 P.M. LT
■Platform: Windows
■Client Language: English

■Steps:
1. Joined a group through party finder for P3S
2. Had to revoke looting rights as I hadn't cleared P1S or P2S yet this week, accepted it not knowing it'd revoke looting rights for P1S and P2S rather than P3S
3. Locked from loot for P1S and P2S, rather than P3S as I thought I would be

[Puss_Kat]

The way the looting process works is spelled out in every Savage patch change notes that has ever been released.

[DarkArvan]

No issue at all, its already been a very long time like this, also in last expansions.

[HyoMinPark]

This dialogue was added in Patch 4.3 — the message is quite clear that, by skipping ahead, you forfeit all rights to prior floor loot. Before, it wasn’t exactly clear unless you just knew how the loot system worked, since the gear forfeit is actually not explicitly mentioned in the Savage patch notes; just gear distribution per floor and coffer loot rules.



This isn’t a technical issue, and the game warned you ahead of time: The preceding duty will be skipped and its weekly reward lost.

Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ccabfaff09eeee

[Michieltjuhh]

The way the looting process works is spelled out in every Savage patch change notes that has ever been released.

I just went to look back at the patch notes of the tier release but can't actually find this mentioned. Even if it were there though, that doesn't stop people from reading past it by accident. It did give me a warning in-game, but the way I read that I thought it would lock me from loot for P3S rather than the bosses prior. This warning only showed once we signed for the duty, giving me 45 seconds to read a fair amount of text, so I may have misread, as I first even assumed it was because the leader had not signed for duty incomplete when starting the duty. After asking, they mentioned that it'd lock me from loot, which lead me to assume that it'd be only for that boss, at which point I accepted that that would be the outcome.

No issue at all, its already been a very long time like this, also in last expansions.

It is for me, though. Not a technical issue, no, I mentioned that, but I can't find the appropriate place to post this. Have to try something, right? And while I well believe it's been in the game for a long time, that doesn't mean I have been. The only time I've done Savage prior was during the start of Shadowbringers but I never had a reason to skip any bosses early in the week back then, so I avoided it through pure coincidence.

[Roxiu]

You openly admitted to seeing the text which warned you about what was about to take place. You chose to forfeit which precludes you from receiving prior rewards. Seeking a reversal of decision when you were informed prior with a prompt you had to select BEFORE proceeding should not be granted.

[Michieltjuhh]

This dialogue was added in Patch 4.3 — the message is quite clear that, by skipping ahead, you forfeit all rights to prior floor loot. Before, it wasn’t exactly clear unless you just knew how the loot system worked, since the gear forfeit is actually not explicitly mentioned in the Savage patch notes; just gear distribution per floor and coffer loot rules.



This isn’t a technical issue, and the game warned you ahead of time: The preceding duty will be skipped and its weekly reward lost.

Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ccabfaff09eeee

You are correct, looking at that picture it's quite clear, reading it without any pressure or the like. I don't think I read the first part entirely, only the part after pressing accept, as it covered part of the first part, which lead me to believe (and accept) that I'd skip loot from that boss specifically.

I know it's not a technical issue, I just have no idea where to go otherwise for a (chance at) assistance, and I noticed some posts here get delegated to a different subsection of the forums with a (seemingly) different type of support.

[HyoMinPark]

I just went to look back at the patch notes of the tier release but can't actually find this mentioned. Even if it were there though, that doesn't stop people from reading past it by accident. It did give me a warning in-game, but the way I read that I thought it would lock me from loot for P3S rather than the bosses prior. This warning only showed once we signed for the duty, giving me 45 seconds to read a fair amount of text, so I may have misread, as I first even assumed it was because the leader had not signed for duty incomplete when starting the duty. After asking, they mentioned that it'd lock me from loot, which lead me to assume that it'd be only for that boss, at which point I accepted that that would be the outcome.

Gear/reward forfeit isn’t mentioned in the Patch Notes. However, the game itself warns you in a very short, simple message. The most important part is even highlighted for emphasis. 45 seconds is more than enough time to read what the game presented you. Speed-reading through it or just assuming the text was in regards to something else isn’t a valid reason to ask for this rule to be revoked with regards to your situation. I’m sorry, but you are entirely at fault here; not the game.

Best you can do is carry on, and learn from this experience.

You are correct, looking at that picture it's quite clear, reading it without any pressure or the like. I don't think I read the first part entirely, only the part after pressing accept, as it covered part of the first part, which lead me to believe (and accept) that I'd skip loot from that boss specifically.

I know it's not a technical issue, I just have no idea where to go otherwise for a (chance at) assistance, and I noticed some posts here get delegated to a different subsection of the forums with a (seemingly) different type of support.

There is no assistance to be granted with regards to this. The game is very clear in its warning. You chose to either not read it carefully enough, or skimmed/skipped through it entirely. There’s plenty of time before pressing Commence to read and understand what the game is telling you—the 45 second timer is not that huge of a pressure. If you were unsure, you could have always withdrew (at no penalty to yourself since you were in a PF and wouldn’t incur a strike towards the 30 minute withdraw penalty), and asked for clarification. Skimming it is no one else’s fault but your own. Not trying to be rude here, but this is just the fact of the matter.

Accept the consequence, and learn from it going forward.

[Michieltjuhh]

Gear/reward forfeit isn’t mentioned in the Patch Notes. However, the game itself warns you in a very short, simple message. The most important part is even highlighted for emphasis. 45 seconds is more than enough time to read what the game presented you. Speed-reading through it or just assuming the text was in regards to something else isn’t a valid reason to ask for this rule to be revoked with regards to your situation. I’m sorry, but you are entirely at fault here; not the game.

Best you can do is carry on, and learn from this experience.

I don't blame the game, other than for having this system in the first place (I don't see the need for it, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have read it properly). However, this mentality bugs me. Should people be punished so severely with no recourse if they simply didn't read something the proper way? I didn't make a mistake while doing heart surgery, I made a mistake when signing up for a duty in a videogame.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't blame the game, other than for having this system in the first place (I don't see the need for it, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have read it properly). However, this mentality bugs me. Should people be punished so severely with no recourse if they simply didn't read something the proper way? I didn't make a mistake while doing heart surgery, I made a mistake when signing up for a duty in a videogame.

Yes, there should be consequences for failure to read game warnings properly—warnings the developers put in there specifically to prevent what happened to you after listening to complaints that the reward forfeit was not clear enough to those unsavvy with Savage loot rules (i.e., new raiders). They implemented measures to prevent this—you chose to ignore them/skim them/not read and understand them properly. That falls back on no one but yourself.

It’s one weekly reward for one week. Not really game-breaking since this tier will be around for the next 6 months. At most, you will be behind one week with regards to gear due to the loss of a page from P1S and P2S. Coffers wouldn’t be guaranteed since you are at the mercy of RNGesus for them when in a party of 7 other people and no Lootmaster to distribute loot, so they cannot be considered here.

You’re kind of coming off here as if this is some earth-shattering horror when it’s simply you failed to read the warning, and now you have to learn to accept and deal with the consequence of it. Video games shouldn’t be free of consequences, either.



As an aside, the system itself exists to prolong longevity of the content. Nothing more, nothing less. The floors themselves have to be completed in order anyways were you to queue for the solo. The only reason you could skip ahead to P3S was because the PF leader had already cleared P1S and P2S. If they hadn’t, then they wouldn’t be able to queue into P3S.