Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Jirah]

SMN stance is fascinating but we should all just ignore “that guy” haven’t seen one post from him that wasn’t needlessly antagonistic nor made any real good arguments besides comparison to games very much outside the spectrum of the games limits

Just ignore stop feeding it

[xxmiamorecadenza]

SMN stance is fascinating but we should all just ignore “that guy” haven’t seen one post from him that wasn’t needlessly antagonistic nor made any real good arguments besides comparison to games very much outside the spectrum of the games limits

Just ignore stop feeding it

I’ve been casually reading SMN threads and it’s amusing that every time the job is mentioned he goes out of his way to antagonize people who aren’t particularly fond of the change. Not entirely surprising considering who it is.

[aveyond-dreams]

"Aren’t particularly fond of the change” is an interesting way to characterize those who have demonstrated time and time again that they do not understand what a Final Fantasy Summoner is.

View me however you wish, but what is certain is that their takes aren’t going to make the devs work faster on abilities that won’t come until 7.0 nor will they reverse course and add dots or their myriad interactions back in order to please them.

[ThorneDynasty]

If Summoner having Bio is a step too far, you must feel let down by every other job.

Like WTF does Paladin have holy magic for, that was just one character you have for all of 30 minutes in FF9. She doesn't even use it when you fight her outside of that sequence. One exception does not a rule make!

[aveyond-dreams]

Paladin is called "Knight" in Japanese. They have used white magic in many mainline Final Fantasy titles and one of the most beloved interpretations of the class is specifically Holy Knight from Tactics, where we get the new cool sword magic from (in addition to Beatrix from IX of course). Thank you for playing, try harder next time.

Edit=the key word here being beloved, which being missed here. FFXIV's old Summoner tragically was not anything close to that. It is now, certainly. The people who love Summoner now and are hopeful for its future outnumber the scorned poison mages who insist on continuing their now months-long tantrum about how their "complex!" class was ruined.

Please continue providing me with such riveting entertainment.

[ThorneDynasty]

Nope, Knight never had any variation of offensive holy magic. Confiteor combo can stay because Agrias summoned swords too, but the holy magic spells are pretty unacceptable.

[aveyond-dreams]

Dissidia Cecil says hi.

Edit=his band abilities from FFIV: the After Years as well. Man were those fun.

[ThorneDynasty]

Fighting game spin-offs are an exception, not a rule.

[Deceptus]

To each their own. chicken nuggets auto attacks and dots were not summoner to me. I'm sure people like that class archtype but it shouldn't of been labeled summoner, its a bit of false advertising.
I like the current summoner but do agree it needs work to make it a bit more interesting. Its usable now and doesn't wiff half its abilities and actually summons.

Seriously. If your idea of a Summoner was summoning something ONCE and letting it auto attack I feel pity for you.

Current summoner FEELS like an actual summoner for better or for worse.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Fighting game spin-offs are an exception, not a rule.

As Jirah mentioned beforehand - would advise against wasting your time on debating with him.