Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Rolder50]

If there’s still going to be a continued discussion in this thread, can certain people please stop saying that somebody’s subjective gameplay preferences are wrong or that someone has to be trolling solely because the somebody in question happens to prefer the newer job design to the older job design? It’s pretty rude, and I doubt that Square Enix is as likely to take the contents of this thread seriously when it contains what some could see as the appearance of continued harassment.

Preferring the newer job design doesn’t automatically mean that there still aren’t rooms for improvement as well either; I’d like to see Ruin IV considered as being changed into an ability so that it can be weaved with other spells for instance, as one friendly proposal of the top of my head. The current job isn’t perfect even if I do personally (subjectively) prefer it to its previous form.

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

[SieyaM]

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

[tearagion]

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

Sorry about your illiteracy, and if you're not illiterate please erect your strawmen elsewhere.

[rewd]

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

Kinda rich to complain about hyperboles while making use of a paraphrase yourself, because of course, everyone that would like some more complexity is just a dirty little elitist with a big ego.

[ssunny2008]

I would guess threads like this are why devs generally ignore the NA forums. There is very little useful criticism, it's all hyperbole "job is dead" or "job isn't complex enough for my big ego".

You do know that eastern players have mostly a way bigger binding to their classes? There are even vids from Korea on some MMO´s, where they jump off the cliff, because their class got nerfed into the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKp2YJDt6_Q

[Gruntler]

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

Having 7 threads on first 2 pages just to repeat the same opinions is not really a way to maximise the impact of valid feedback, and so if it feels your feedback is being ignored (it's not, they've shown they do pay attention to the english forums and other english media) and a lot of time the opinions they're not listening to are bad takes presented badly and it's right to ignore them.

[tearagion]

Having 7 threads on first 2 pages just to repeat the same opinions is not really a way to maximise the impact of valid feedback, and so if it feels your feedback is being ignored (it's not, they've shown they do pay attention to the english forums and other english media) and a lot of time the opinions they're not listening to are bad takes presented badly and it's right to ignore them.

I don't really understand what else you'd expect people to try. A 200 page megathread of complaints and criticism, like the DRK one they have already ignored? Maybe we make a scrapbook of everything wrong with the job, giftwrap it and mail it? What's the maximum impact here?

[CKNovel]

I'd be amazed if SE considers the English forums at all in their decision making processes, to be honest.

Apparently, JP thinks SQEX doesn't listen to them and that West is their priority for feedback.
That's actually concerning when it comes to feedback.

[ThorneDynasty]

Apparently, JP thinks SQEX doesn't listen to them and that West is their priority for feedback.
That's actually concerning when it comes to feedback.

Clearly we aren't sugar-coating the criticism enough so no ones feelings get hurt.

Seriously though, any company developing public software should not be having the developers themselves look at the unfiltered criticism, that's just an all round horrible idea no one working in the field would recommend. If that's how SE is having feedback handled they are doing things very, very wrong. You need some kind of community managers mediating between them and end-users. Obviously we know the devs are working with time constraints and whatever else complications, but a huge anonymous user-base is still not going to mince words about the end result. That's just a completely unrealistic expectation and I don't believe anyone parroting "but YoshiP told you to be nice about it, if you don't your point is invalid" is arguing in good faith.

[MellowMink]

If I look at the full comments sections of any of Larryzaur’s newest videos that include Summoner, there are numerous people who prefer the newer job changes to the older job design, and I can find that on various parts of social media or under the videos of some other content creators as well. It’s perfectly fine to not like the newer job design and want specified improvements to it, but let’s not also act like dozens of people on the forums necessarily represent the majority of the tens of millions of registered players or that those who prefer the newer design are simply wrong. I also imagine that people who are actively enjoying the new job are probably less likely to go out of their way to post on the forums that are only used by a minority of total players. That said, the developers should look at a large combination of feedback from many sources including these forums. We need a cumulative amount of specific data that isn’t just from here either.

I’ve also said it before and I’ll say it again: I personally prefer the newer job design to the older job design but still want certain updates that have been listed earlier in this thread and across some other threads. People who prefer the newer job design can still want to see improvements without seeing the job design mostly reverted too, and that’s not automatically a “wrong” thing when we’re discussing subjective gameplay preferences.