Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[zcrash970]

It's one of the worst versions of any job, not only SMN.

I mean you're not wrong. I thought DNC was going to be the worse but...ooooffff. I was wrong.

I can't understand why they thought this design would be a good choice

[battleshadow66]

Strongly disagree but you do you. I think it is one of worse versions of smn in the game so far. Right next to 2.0 damn in terms of gameplay. Maybe worse because 2.0 smn had stuff to manage and keep track of

Which is ironic, because pre-EW SMN was the worst version of SMN in Final Fantasy history. lol

[zcrash970]

Which is ironic, because pre-EW SMN was the worst version of SMN in Final Fantasy history. lol

It depends if the only thing you care about is aesthetics or actually care about gameplay design

[Lemuel81]

Which is ironic, because pre-EW SMN was the worst version of SMN in Final Fantasy history. lol

You mean that YOU think it was the worst version. Personally I think that couldn't be further than the truth. They took summoner, and completely dumbed it down. Personally I wish game developers would just ignore people who complain that a class is too difficult heh. What do you get? Summoner 6.0

[Equitable_Remedy]

It is, but its also 110% better than it once was.

Anecdotally, I see SMNs in groups much more often than I've ever seen them before. That may not last, of course, but a class being appealing to more people without being overpowered is generally a good thing in an MMO class ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What 6.0 SMN is not is an elite, hard-to-play class that only the most elite players can play let alone master, and 6.0 SMN will certainly not satisfy players looking for that experience.

Every class won't be for everything, though I certainly understand players that got into SMN for more of the latter and now find it more of the former and not to their liking.

[Rolder50]

It is, but its also 110% better than it once was. We just need a few balance patches to even things out.

The changes Summoner needs to make it interesting are not something they would be able to do in balance patches. Best case scenario is it gets some extra mechanics in the next expansion that makes it actually interesting. I wouldn't bet money on this happening, though.

[ThorneDynasty]

Not gonna lie, I went over the ability list like 5 times furiously trying to find what was missing from my hotbars.

[zcrash970]

Not gonna lie, I went over the ability list like 5 times furiously trying to find what was missing from my hotbars.

If most of the abilities weren't a minute long CD, maybe it would feel better, but at the current moment, the job doesn't feel rewarding and devoid of dopamine hits. Maybe if you started with egis then work to bahamut, would feel good

Started off with bahamut pretty much instantly and then having your dps really tank, feels awful

[Mysticunicycle]

If most of the abilities weren't a minute long CD, maybe it would feel better, but at the current moment, the job doesn't feel rewarding and devoid of dopamine hits. Maybe if you started with egis then work to bahamut, would feel good

Started off with bahamut pretty much instantly and then having your dps really tank, feels awful

That's.... every job in the game? Every job has an opener that bursts hard and then evens out..?

[Aztectornado]

These silly hyperboles are part of the reason why the job was dumbed down so much, as they contributed to the community perception that was hurting the job a lot. I agree with your overall message, but let's keep hyperboles to poetry.

I mean, it technically was a several minutes long rotation, and did involve double weaving. It's just that 'rotation' in this sense is used rather loosely since you'd never get your original cooldowns back until then, and thus each phase was a little different.

Not gonna lie, I went over the ability list like 5 times furiously trying to find what was missing from my hotbars.

Yeah, exactly. I'm still looking at the hotbars that are half the size they used to and just-... Baffled as to how this felt finished to anyone in QA.

...there is QA, right? This is my first time I've been in x.0 of an expansion, and with the industry standard of Early Access, I wouldn't be surprised to hear if we're the testbed for this. (That said, wish they'd give us a survey or something to weigh in on.)