Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Sequora]

FF3 and FF5 where it's mainly inspired from? FF Tactics or FF11, too. It's really obvious where the inspiration comes from if you compare the outfits itself.
Plus ALL of those characters are all-rounders, if not more damage-centric. Rydia is from a game where there's already an established White Mage who is Rosa. Same with Garnet who's with Eiko who is technically the White Mage of the game but can both summon. Yuna is established to be an offensive character in Dissidia games. etc.

Anyway this Bio/Miasma argument is really silly because DoTs stopped being the main focus of SMN's kit in Stormblood, more so in Shadowbringers. The rest has been about the summons themselves.
It's honestly hilarious how much these two spells bothered so many people over the years. It's not that serious.

More than just two spells. We had 4 in 2.0 (miasma, bio II, bio, miasma 2), and 5 if you count thunder from cross class.

The problem for me was never the dots, but the fact that they were poisons. Bio and miasma are two of the least visually appealing spells in the game. Bio III and miasma III were only slightly better.

After playing other MMOs with pet casters that are all about demons, and disease, it was disappointing that they went in that direction for a series who’s “summoning magic” were mostly elemental deities and not minions of hell.

Bane and fester were also disease themed as well. The poisons just don’t fit with the summoner aspect of the job.

[dinnertime]

More than just two spells. We had 4 in 2.0 (miasma, bio II, bio, miasma 2), and 5 if you count thunder from cross class.

The problem for me was never the dots, but the fact that they were poisons. Bio and miasma are two of the least visually appealing spells in the game. Bio III and miasma III were only slightly better.

After playing other MMOs with pet casters that are all about demons, and disease, it was disappointing that they went in that direction for a series who’s “summoning magic” were mostly elemental deities and not minions of hell.

Bane and fester were also disease themed as well. The poisons just don’t fit with the summoner aspect of the job.

Except it stopped being the main focus in 4.0. Then we had only 2 main DoTs, then lost Miasma II and Contagion, then Shadowflare. It was largely stripped down to fill in more summoner aspects but people were still under the impression that the job was all about the disease spells.

Not nearly as entertaining as the enthusiastic responses from the fans of former Summoner whose comments are featured on the twitter account that cross posts the more interesting takes from the forums. "Summoner is less complex than Dancer" sure was a sentence I'll never forget.

Which is actually true? I'd like to know your opinion as to why it's such an interesting take to you but hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

[dinnertime]

The way you get so triggered at the mention of DoTs or just any criticism with the rework, and how you have the same tired responses ready is honestly just entertainment at this point.

[aveyond-dreams]

The way you get so triggered at the mention of DoTs or just any criticism with the rework, and how you have the same tired responses ready is honestly just entertainment at this point.

Not nearly as entertaining as the enthusiastic responses from the fans of former Summoner whose comments are featured on the twitter account that cross posts the more interesting takes from the forums. "Summoner is less complex than Dancer" sure was a sentence I'll never forget.

[Madoka]

Bring back bio and the classic sound effect. Make it automatically max volume for all clients.

[Jirah]

SMN stance is fascinating but we should all just ignore “that guy” haven’t seen one post from him that wasn’t needlessly antagonistic nor made any real good arguments besides comparison to games very much outside the spectrum of the games limits

Just ignore stop feeding it

[xxmiamorecadenza]

SMN stance is fascinating but we should all just ignore “that guy” haven’t seen one post from him that wasn’t needlessly antagonistic nor made any real good arguments besides comparison to games very much outside the spectrum of the games limits

Just ignore stop feeding it

I’ve been casually reading SMN threads and it’s amusing that every time the job is mentioned he goes out of his way to antagonize people who aren’t particularly fond of the change. Not entirely surprising considering who it is.

[aveyond-dreams]

"Aren’t particularly fond of the change” is an interesting way to characterize those who have demonstrated time and time again that they do not understand what a Final Fantasy Summoner is.

View me however you wish, but what is certain is that their takes aren’t going to make the devs work faster on abilities that won’t come until 7.0 nor will they reverse course and add dots or their myriad interactions back in order to please them.

[ThorneDynasty]

If Summoner having Bio is a step too far, you must feel let down by every other job.

Like WTF does Paladin have holy magic for, that was just one character you have for all of 30 minutes in FF9. She doesn't even use it when you fight her outside of that sequence. One exception does not a rule make!