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  1. #21
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    Eriane_Elis's Avatar
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    Eriane Elis
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Leves are fine, but leveling through the firmament should be severly nerfed for both crafter and gatherer. People shouldn't become a level 90 omni gatherer and crafter in 2 days. It should maybe take 2 weeks or so (about a month for light weight grinding your way there).
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  2. #22
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    Considering you have multiple crafter and gatherer to do as well as then more crafting/gathering for the sake of getting materia to penta meld why would you want the 80>90 to take even longer?
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  3. #23
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    Princess Walk
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    I miss when each area had a levemete... And when battlecraft leves were still an alternative. They really dropped the ball with Heavensward leves and have only themselves to blame for messing it up.

    Crafter and Gatherer leves however are fine. Allowance is limited and to be fair even exp outside leves/collectables is very inflated for DoL and DoH.
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    Last edited by ReynTime; 12-31-2021 at 02:41 AM.

  4. #24
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 94
    It's not unfair IMO because you have to level all 8 crafter individually and that's essentially leveling multiple combat jobs. Not to mention if you want to gather your own materials so then you have to level the 3 gathering jobs as well.

    Leves EXP-wise is fine and are limited by time. Leveling through multiple means: custom deliveries, collectibles, crafting while using EXP manuals, Studium deliveries are all good ways of getting EXP. Trying to use leves to get all the crafters from 80-90 is unrealistic because you'll just run out of the 99 leve allowances anyway, not to mention if you're using them for gathering as well.
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  5. #25
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    Azuri Aeru
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    Phoenix
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    In the end, DoL and DoH leveling changes reflect the changes to combat job leveling. It's so easy to get to 90 now. As a result any kind of natural progression is gone. There is "level cap" and "not level cap" - nothing in between. I don't think it's any fun to be stuck with all the mid-range recipes that have no use and are entirely worthless for anything outside leveling itself. Game throws gear at players and you can go from one poetics set to another without ever needing to use any mid-level upgrade. Same goes for food and potions being completely pointless unless you are at cap.
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  6. #26
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    Hiro Masaaki
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    Phantom
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    Archer Lv 36
    Leves are time gated so no the exp they award is not too much. It may seem like a lot if you have saved up 99 of them but it’s not.
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  7. #27
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    Plastic Spork
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    No, leves are bad now.
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  8. #28
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    Dezere Dawn
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Plastics View Post
    No, leves are bad now.
    I'm not sure i'd consider them bad, especially for experience gain which is what's being asked here, not profits like cookies were


    Anyways, i'd rather crafting Leves be a really good way to level them than ending up the same way Battlecraft leves have (completely worthless, in a phrase)
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  9. #29
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Dancer Lv 90
    They were busted more-so last expansion than what they are this expansion, to be honest.

    Besides, as much as I hate to admit it, I do strongly stand-by their course of levelling crafters to be easy. They are aimed not at being the main content within the game, so it stands to be perfectly reasonable that they can be levelled with as little tedium as possible.

    Not to mention, ideally if you want self-sufficiency then you'll want all 8 of the classes, unless you aim to just be a CUL/ALC, which is a different matter entirely. - They should really be factoring the investment around the whole fact you ideally want all of them, not just a singular which contrasts to battle.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 12-31-2021 at 05:39 AM.

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  11. #30
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis View Post
    Leves are fine, but leveling through the firmament should be severly nerfed for both crafter and gatherer. People shouldn't become a level 90 omni gatherer and crafter in 2 days. It should maybe take 2 weeks or so (about a month for light weight grinding your way there).

    uh I got all of them up in ONE day ... without touching Firmament.
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