Parsing unfair but okay?

[YukikoKurosawa]

What I don't get is, how is one supposed to know that FFlogs is even accurate? It's a third party website that relies on information obtained from an addon that you would be banned if you got caught having to begin with, so it's already dubious. For example, I don't have it, but I've found sometimes people have submitted logs of fights I've been involved in. On my highest parse according to FFlogs, a fight where I didn't die, maintained consistent damage output, didn't fail any mechanics, and have full 580 gear materia'd correctly as a SAM, I only did high green parse.

Like, I don't get it. I get fights where I died multiple times but fights where I performed perfectly I'm somehow still doing low parses as one of the highest dps jobs. On one fight, a machinist was the top parser which is absurd. I have to question if, when I'm performing my rotation correctly and consistently, not failing mechanics, and not dying, highly geared and fully materia'd, if I'm STILL registering with medicore parses, if this information is even worth taking seriously. I'm highly geared with the right materia, performed properly, did all the mechanics right, didn't die, and the boss went down and very fast, and that's still not enough according to a third party website to net me high parses.

I literally don't care, and I can't take anyone who does care seriously. If these logs didn't exist I would just assume I did well.

[Casualty]

What I don't get is, how is one supposed to know that FFlogs is even accurate? It's a third party website that relies on information obtained from an addon that you would be banned if you got caught having to begin with, so it's already dubious. For example, I don't have it, but I've found sometimes people have submitted logs of fights I've been involved in. On my highest parse according to FFlogs, a fight where I didn't die, maintained consistent damage output, didn't fail any mechanics, and have full 580 gear materia'd correctly as a SAM, I only did high green parse.

Like, I don't get it. I get fights where I died multiple times but fights where I performed perfectly I'm somehow still doing low parses as one of the highest dps jobs. On one fight, a machinist was the top parser which is absurd. I have to question if, when I'm performing my rotation correctly and consistently, not failing mechanics, and not dying, highly geared and fully materia'd, if I'm STILL registering with medicore parses, if this information is even worth taking seriously. I'm highly geared with the right materia, performed properly, did all the mechanics right, didn't die, and the boss went down and very fast, and that's still not enough according to a third party website to net me high parses.

I literally don't care, and I can't take anyone who does care seriously. If these logs didn't exist I would just assume I did well.

This is exactly a situation where having the information benefits you. You think you are playing perfectly and without error, and without that information you would continue to play the same way until you hit a wall, such a savage fight, and then be frustrated without a clear direction for what the issue is. This may not describe you specifically, but there are players where you are at currently who do have those goals in mind. With the data, you can take that parse through xiv analysis and see what you are missing. For example, here is a fight where you have 0 deaths. https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/aN8zmyvg6BR4DF1C/1/6 I make no judgements, but it does give some suggestions for areas of opportunity and growth that appear to be consistent across many of the other fights you have participated in. Perhaps you are a person who only does normal trials/raids and has no aspirations for anything more difficult - this information is likely not as relevant outside self-improvement.

If you are skeptical, you could try comparing your battle log to what is being reported (although tedious).

[Risvertasashi]

What I don't get is, how is one supposed to know that FFlogs is even accurate? It's a third party website that relies on information obtained from an addon that you would be banned if you got caught having to begin with, so it's already dubious. For example, I don't have it, but I've found sometimes people have submitted logs of fights I've been involved in. On my highest parse according to FFlogs, a fight where I didn't die, maintained consistent damage output, didn't fail any mechanics, and have full 580 gear materia'd correctly as a SAM, I only did high green parse.

Like, I don't get it. I get fights where I died multiple times but fights where I performed perfectly I'm somehow still doing low parses as one of the highest dps jobs. On one fight, a machinist was the top parser which is absurd. I have to question if, when I'm performing my rotation correctly and consistently, not failing mechanics, and not dying, highly geared and fully materia'd, if I'm STILL registering with medicore parses, if this information is even worth taking seriously. I'm highly geared with the right materia, performed properly, did all the mechanics right, didn't die, and the boss went down and very fast, and that's still not enough according to a third party website to net me high parses.

I literally don't care, and I can't take anyone who does care seriously. If these logs didn't exist I would just assume I did well.

There is a level of inaccuracy/estimation and simulation involved, but they're pretty transparent about exactly how they make their calculations, and as far as rankings go, well, everyone gets the same approximations. if you want to compare, go hit the SSS dummy and look at the numbers the game reports as your DPS and compare to FF logs or whatever. It should be very close, but not perfectly matching.

Now, as for your personal rankings, there's a lot that goes into it and isn't necessarily within your control. For example, having a food buff up and using potions has a substantial impact, even if all other elements are perfect or close enough. And right now people aren't highly geared, so gear differences have a big impact as well. And then if you're not in a party that provides raid buffs, or people can't keep their windows aligned, that'll be another hit to ranking.

If you really want to know, throw up your logs somewhere and ask for feedback and people can identify specific things that may be an issue - whether or not that's your rotation. (Also, be careful getting your advice from The Balance, they're ok for getting to a baseline but somewhat often make suggestions that are actually terrible for optimizing your DPS in the high end).

[YukikoKurosawa]

This is exactly a situation where having the information benefits you. You think you are playing perfectly and without error, and without that information you would continue to play the same way until you hit a wall, such a savage fight, and then be frustrated without a clear direction for what the issue is. This may not describe you specifically, but there are players where you are at currently who do have those goals in mind. With the data, you can take that parse through xiv analysis and see what you are missing. For example, here is a fight where you have 0 deaths. https://xivanalysis.com/fflogs/aN8zmyvg6BR4DF1C/1/6 I make no judgements, but it does give some suggestions for areas of opportunity and growth that appear to be consistent across many of the other fights you have participated in. Perhaps you are a person who only does normal trials/raids and has no aspirations for anything more difficult - this information is likely not as relevant outside self-improvement.

If you are skeptical, you could try comparing your battle log to what is being reported (although tedious).

I've never used and will never use Meikyo Shisui or Hagakure because I just have never seen the point of them, as far as I'm concerned they're just redundant and or useless. Yes I've watched guides, I still don't understand the point of those two abilities, they just don't make sense to me at all. They're not even on my bars since EW forced me to make more space.

Those seem to be the major reasons for my lower parses. Beyond that, some weaving mistakes. Probaly a few instances I got disrupted from my rotation for one reason or another.

Also it's knocking off points for me using LB3. The logs are severely knocking my performance down for a few issues that didn't affect how well I actually performed in the fight overall. I really just don't care. A few rotational issues aside, I didn't die, didn't fail any mechanics, and the boss died quickly. I don't have the energy to care about anything beyond that. I just don't care. I've never cared so little about anything in my entire life.

[van_arn]

I've never used and will never use Meikyo Shisui or Hagakure because I just have never seen the point of them, as far as I'm concerned they're just redundant and or useless. Yes I've watched guides, I still don't understand the point of those two abilities, they just don't make sense to me at all. They're not even on my bars since EW forced me to make more space.

Those seem to be the major reasons for my lower parses. Beyond that, some weaving mistakes. Probaly a few instances I got disrupted from my rotation for one reason or another.

Also it's knocking off points for me using LB3. The logs are severely knocking my performance down for a few issues that didn't affect how well I actually performed in the fight overall. I really just don't care. A few rotational issues aside, I didn't die, didn't fail any mechanics, and the boss died quickly. I don't have the energy to care about anything beyond that. I just don't care. I've never cared so little about anything in my entire life.

Yeah, the first sentence tells me what the problem is. You need to understand the point of them.

[Menriq]

I've never used and will never use Meikyo Shisui or Hagakure because I just have never seen the point of them, as far as I'm concerned they're just redundant and or useless. Yes I've watched guides, I still don't understand the point of those two abilities, they just don't make sense to me at all. They're not even on my bars since EW forced me to make more space.

Those seem to be the major reasons for my lower parses. Beyond that, some weaving mistakes. Probaly a few instances I got disrupted from my rotation for one reason or another.

Also it's knocking off points for me using LB3. The logs are severely knocking my performance down for a few issues that didn't affect how well I actually performed in the fight overall. I really just don't care. A few rotational issues aside, I didn't die, didn't fail any mechanics, and the boss died quickly. I don't have the energy to care about anything beyond that. I just don't care. I've never cared so little about anything in my entire life.

You are more than welcome to this opinion, but it doesn't negate the fact that the reason you are parsing lower is because those who are using those abilities when you are not. This isn't a matter of the tool being wrong, it's a matter of playstyle.

[Johaandr]

I've never used and will never use Meikyo Shisui or Hagakure because I just have never seen the point of them, as far as I'm concerned they're just redundant and or useless. Yes I've watched guides, I still don't understand the point of those two abilities, they just don't make sense to me at all. They're not even on my bars since EW forced me to make more space.

Those seem to be the major reasons for my lower parses. Beyond that, some weaving mistakes. Probaly a few instances I got disrupted from my rotation for one reason or another.

Also it's knocking off points for me using LB3. The logs are severely knocking my performance down for a few issues that didn't affect how well I actually performed in the fight overall. I really just don't care. A few rotational issues aside, I didn't die, didn't fail any mechanics, and the boss died quickly. I don't have the energy to care about anything beyond that. I just don't care. I've never cared so little about anything in my entire life.

From my experience coming from ps4. All the data i had was what it was infront of me.. That way i knew what i needed to adjust for gameplay until i start hearing about fflog. I went in there and checked out of curiosity. It wasnt that bad afterall. yeah it may have improved my way of playing but not by much.
Sure it has benefits. But i still believe that we are provided enough information right infront of us without all these data math. But you can always improve. I sound naiv but i got asian gene bahahaha jkjk.

But i wish people were awere of the factors that plays in for having higher parse score for your page in that site... Having static, good gear, Time on killing boss, Buff Allignments, Padded?? etc etc. Heck even what day ur doing it.

[HyoMinPark]

I've never used and will never use Meikyo Shisui or Hagakure because I just have never seen the point of them, as far as I'm concerned they're just redundant and or useless. Yes I've watched guides, I still don't understand the point of those two abilities, they just don't make sense to me at all. They're not even on my bars since EW forced me to make more space.

Those seem to be the major reasons for my lower parses. Beyond that, some weaving mistakes. Probaly a few instances I got disrupted from my rotation for one reason or another.

Also it's knocking off points for me using LB3. The logs are severely knocking my performance down for a few issues that didn't affect how well I actually performed in the fight overall. I really just don't care. A few rotational issues aside, I didn't die, didn't fail any mechanics, and the boss died quickly. I don't have the energy to care about anything beyond that. I just don't care. I've never cared so little about anything in my entire life.

If you aren’t utilizing your full toolkit, it doesn’t matter that you didn’t die or executed mechanics flawlessly. You’re failing at the one true job a SAM has: dealing damage. Meikyo usage is fundamental—it isn’t even min-max levels of optimization.

You’re within your rights not to care about your performance—but don’t be irritated if someone happens to point it out. The absence of Meikyo usage doesn’t even require a log to see: someone could simply watch your buff bar during combat.

[YukikoKurosawa]

There is a level of inaccuracy/estimation and simulation involved, but they're pretty transparent about exactly how they make their calculations, and as far as rankings go, well, everyone gets the same approximations. if you want to compare, go hit the SSS dummy and look at the numbers the game reports as your DPS and compare to FF logs or whatever. It should be very close, but not perfectly matching.

Now, as for your personal rankings, there's a lot that goes into it and isn't necessarily within your control. For example, having a food buff up and using potions has a substantial impact, even if all other elements are perfect or close enough. And right now people aren't highly geared, so gear differences have a big impact as well. And then if you're not in a party that provides raid buffs, or people can't keep their windows aligned, that'll be another hit to ranking.

If you really want to know, throw up your logs somewhere and ask for feedback and people can identify specific things that may be an issue - whether or not that's your rotation. (Also, be careful getting your advice from The Balance, they're ok for getting to a baseline but somewhat often make suggestions that are actually terrible for optimizing your DPS in the high end).

Well I don't use food or potions in normal content. I'm sure that has some impact.

Regardless, if parses are so important, why do I have to use third party tools to know what they are? Third party tools that are a bannable offense to even have? My perspective is, if it's not in the game, I don't care. If it's such an integral system, then put in the game. Otherwise, why should I care?

[Johaandr]

Regardless, if parses are so important, why do I have to use third party tools to know what they are?

Thing is they arent. They just provide "missing" data for people. They want to stay consistent in what they r doing and improve..