Parsing unfair but okay?

[Garnetiferous]

I really want to hear people's thoughts on how seeing a log plays the game for you. That's not sassy, I genuinely want to understand where this logic flows.

It should be painfully obvious that many people in this thread don't raid and have no idea what it's like.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

It should be painfully obvious that many people in this thread don't raid and have no idea what it's like.

Exactly. Odd that I haven’t seen a single person who seriously raids and are genuinely decent to passable agree with the anti-parsing sentiment.

[LisSquid]

It should be painfully obvious that many people in this thread don't raid and have no idea what it's like.

It’s just hardcore casuals being hardcore casuals. I don’t bother trying to understand their logic at this point.

The belief has to come from somewhere. Among people who are die-hard "I REFUSE TO EVER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I AM THE PROBLEM" there's got to be some people just swept up into it. Sometimes just talking it out can bring out some fallacies in the argument where middle ground can be reached.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

The belief has to come from somewhere. Among people who are die-hard "I REFUSE TO EVER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I AM THE PROBLEM" there's got to be some people just swept up into it. Sometimes just talking it out can bring out some fallacies in the argument where middle ground can be reached.

It’s hard to try to sympathize. But I suppose it’s because I feel like a fair share of them are quick to demonize us.

Casuals frequently utilize mods that improve the games aesthetics. Clothing and hair add-ons are popularized and publicly advertised. If you look at the ‘show off your -‘ threads a fair share of those screenshots are obviously augmented. They use Discord and chat with their friends while playing on third party apps. And no one really says anything.

Yet when we bring up our own third party tool for the purpose of improving our own gameplay experience its problematic.

[Garnetiferous]

The belief has to come from somewhere. Among people who are die-hard "I REFUSE TO EVER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I AM THE PROBLEM" there's got to be some people just swept up into it. Sometimes just talking it out can bring out some fallacies in the argument where middle ground can be reached.

I think it's mainly that raiders have a reputation for being elitist and using a program that against ToS to recruit for a static even if the mods of the game are clearly turning a blind eye to raiders that are not harassing others using it fits right in with the narrative. Others are just straight up fabricating lies, like earlier in the thread someone claimed that early patches of this game had fights with hard enrages and yet we had no parsers and if that person had actually been a raider back then they'd know that there were actually multiple different parsing programs.

[Rinhi]

It should be painfully obvious that many people in this thread don't raid and have no idea what it's like.

even as a (bad) non-raider, I don't think there's anything negative about parsing, quite the opposite of it, in fact
I think people generally just don't want others to see that they make mistakes and like, do low damage because of it? or that they don't put any effort in and with numbers, there'd be less excuses that they could make

and as someone whose first MMO is 14 and thus has no experience aside from he said she said from my friends and the forums about parsers, I do think that sometimes, someone really underperforming needs and deserves to be called out, especially if they're a big part or the main reason that the duty isn't progressing
but I also completely understand why it's not wanted and would never do it
one can dream, though...