Parsing unfair but okay?

[AbysmalDuck]

Their PF, their rules. Don’t like it, then join another or make your own that doesn’t require logs. Simple. It’s not anyone’s business to question what a party leader does with the PF they create.

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

I think the party member who forces others to drag their carcass to a clear is more of a buzzkill than anything else.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

This.

Plus, you have the option to put a min ilvl/Duty Completion or Duty Complete to further curate who you want with you.

Party Finder is all about the freedom of picking a team to your liking.

[MadeOfMush]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

[Risvertasashi]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

They don't advertise in game, so, the posts talking about PF are a bit out of touch; PF's not where the issue is.

As for statics, well. Yeah, having a record of your performance (whether or not said player runs a parser) is often a requirement and pretty important. But, before putting all the blame on players, it's worth noting SE continually puts very strict DPS checks in the game.

So it's a bit catch-22 - "You can't complete these encounters unless you do good DPS, but you can't know how you're doing unless you turn to that horrible no good illegal third party software or someone else who has it."

[Eriane_Elis]

They don't advertise in game, so, the posts talking about PF are a bit out of touch; PF's not where the issue is.

As for statics, well. Yeah, having a record of your performance (whether or not said player runs a parser) is often a requirement and pretty important. But, before putting all the blame on players, it's worth noting SE continually puts very strict DPS checks in the game.

So it's a bit catch-22 - "You can't complete these encounters unless you do good DPS, but you can't know how you're doing unless you turn to that horrible no good illegal third party software or someone else who has it."

I forgot what they are called but there's those training zones where you have to kill the special training dummy within the time limit. I believe a new one will be available next week unless I'm mistaken. If you pass that, you pass the DPS check.

[Risvertasashi]

I forgot what they are called but there's those training zones where you have to kill the special training dummy within the time limit. I believe a new one will be available next week unless I'm mistaken. If you pass that, you pass the DPS check.

SSS or "Stone Sea Sky".

Yes, it technically exists, but has many many problems.

Lower DPS jobs will struggle to clear SSS but can do the encounters fine. For example, in ShB, a very good bard player would have trouble clearing SSS while even a bad summoner player could easily clear it. So you might have players on lower DPS jobs thinking they're not good enough if they only have SSS as a touchstone, when in reality they might be in the best 20% or 10% of players of their job. Conversely, a terrible summoner (or these days, a reaper; RIP summoner) might think they're hot stuff because they can easily clear SSS, but in a proper raid they hold a team back.

The other problem is that DPS in a "striking dummy" scenario - no mechanics to worry about, no boss jumps, etc - doesn't reflect the pragmatic reality of raids, especially when there are extra DPS check phases like adds or a "break the shield" mechanics or so on. Aligning to raid buffs also makes a big difference, but obviously isn't reflected when solo.

[ForteNightshade]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

How is it impacting other player's game experience? We can restrict who joins based on their ilvl or insist on only one job. What difference is there between that and their damage? "Impacting their experience" would be parse parties making it impossible to clear content without joining them. That has never been the case. There's maybe 2-3 "barse" parties up at a given time compared to 30+ clear, farm, weekly. Thus a person looking to simply clear has far more options and their experience isn't being impacted. Likewise, they aren't imposing it on anyone else anymore than someone saying, "We're a catgirl only static!"

Would you not prefer them being upfront with their expectations so you could more easily avoid joining if it doesn't suit your preferences? This is precisely why people, instead, try to parse in clear parties.

[Rinhi]

Plus, you have the option to put a min ilvl/Duty Completion or Duty Complete to further curate who you want with you.

I mean there are people complaining about those settings, too, gatekeeping and all that :v)

[Liam_Harper]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

Why, exactly?

"If you don't like log runs, join one of the countless groups that don't care, or make your own with whatever requirements you like" couldn't be more fair or reasonable. What is your reasoning for disliking it?