Parsing unfair but okay?

[HyoMinPark]

I have. Repeatedly. I've been taking a few screencaps as I'm not sure I'm comfortable with people openly asking for them and have been debating it over with my FC - https://imgur.com/a/aHAqf4l from yesterday for example.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm fine with groups being formed based on logs - but not with it being 'enforced' by elitists on pf.

Actually, what's everyone's thoughts on openly asking for logs in PF? Is it even against TOS?

Their PF, their rules. Don’t like it, then join another or make your own that doesn’t require logs. Simple. It’s not anyone’s business to question what a party leader does with the PF they create.

[Fairecilla]

Their PF, their rules. Don’t like it, then join another or make your own that doesn’t require logs. Simple. It’s not anyone’s business to question what a party leader does with the PF they create.

Yeah, no, agreed. I see it, I cap, I go do my own thing.

It is, however, questionable if openly asking for 3rd party tools in PF is against TOS and openly harms new people entering the extreme scene. That was the debate I intended to open.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Yeah, no, agreed. I see it, I cap, I go do my own thing.

It is, however, questionable if openly asking for 3rd party tools in PF is against TOS and openly harms new people entering the extreme scene. That was the debate I intended to open.

I don’t think it does. A majority of parties are regular farm/clear parties. New players are fine.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, no, agreed. I see it, I cap, I go do my own thing.

It is, however, questionable if openly asking for 3rd party tools in PF is against TOS and openly harms new people entering the extreme scene. That was the debate I intended to open.

It does not. Because those players can also just join other parties or create their own. Those PFs have no bearing on the accessibility of the content. Extremes (and Savages) are more accessible than ever these days.

[Rinhi]

openly harms new people entering the extreme scene

how, though?

[DrFlesh]

how, though?

"entitled mentality"

[AbysmalDuck]

Their PF, their rules. Don’t like it, then join another or make your own that doesn’t require logs. Simple. It’s not anyone’s business to question what a party leader does with the PF they create.

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

I think the party member who forces others to drag their carcass to a clear is more of a buzzkill than anything else.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

This.

Plus, you have the option to put a min ilvl/Duty Completion or Duty Complete to further curate who you want with you.

Party Finder is all about the freedom of picking a team to your liking.

[MadeOfMush]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.