Parsing unfair but okay?

[HyoMinPark]

We are going to have to agree to disagree. These methods have worked for me for years now. Since Heavensward and even the painful days of the raids and all of its problems back then.

You asked me and I gave you my methods. Whilst they may not work for how you desire to run things, and clearly you don’t agree with them at all, they have worked for me, and by using these methods I am not breaking the TOS.

Nor have I had any issues really clearing any of the content I wish to approach.



Ultimately, this is a game. I have zero desire to to turn it into a job and use all of these extra tools that break TOS to scrutinize things when I just want to play and do the end game runs with my friends, when I have done just fine over the years without them using my own methods and the tools the game itself gives me.

I come into the game to relax with what little time my life affords me, and have fun with my friends and enjoy the game with them, and help them get mounts or beat end game content. That is my focus, and I am going to stick to that

And this is the flawed argument that these threads always dissolve into: for some, optimization and playing well and using parsers to improve themselves isn’t a job. It’s their idea of fun. It’s disdainful to see that so many resort to using this argument at the end of the line as if it carries any sort of weight to it.

All I have said is that your methods don’t yield the results that you think they do. If you find them enjoyable, it’s one thing. But to imply that they work as well as or better than a parser is flawed.

If this works for you, then that’s fine. But this thread was made by someone who wants to join a high-end static that has set requirements and criteria and expectations of its joiners. Instead of advocating that they look for a static more in line with their own goals, it has instead dissolved into a thread bickering about how parsers are against the ToS, how they gatekeep Savage, those who use them seek only to turn the game into a part-time or full-time job, and they should be reported on-sight as if they were some sort of toxic blight on the community. And again, I say, “GCBTW, indeed”.

I don’t mind the extra debate, nor do I begrudge people their opinion. But parsing is not, and should not, in my opinion, be required. Nor should it be used as a gatekeeping tool. Not all groups do that, but some do.

The groups that do have specific goals in mind—who are you, me, or anyone else to dictate what that static does? It isn’t any of our business what the raid leader and the raid group decide are criteria for joining their group, just like it isn’t our business what a PF leader designates as criteria to join their PF.

I’m more interested in the character of a person in comparison to the numbers they can pump out. A parse log won’t tell me if they are decent human being or someone I’d rather not play with. I would rather that be the yardstick by which individuals are measured, it it comes to that.

As are a lot of raid leads. I have raided some astoundingly awesome and skilled players—unfortunately, they have also had astoundingly bad attitudes, and I no longer associate with them. A lot of groups will take a purple parsing individual with a positive and constructive attitude over an orange player that treats their raid mates like trash. Just because a group advocates a minimum skill level doesn’t mean they will ignore players that are horrible people.

Folks are free to do what they want. But the inherent risks should be acknowledged and understood and not simply brushed off as “ SE won’t so anything. “ Been around too long to know contrary to that way of thinking.

They may not ever do anything. Then again, they may change their mind down the road. I just choose to not use it and involve myself with the tools the game avails me.

SE won’t do anything. They have ample opportunity to ban parsers and their use, and actually enforce their ToS. But they do not. They know what will happen if they do. Even if they managed to figure out a way to cause ACT and FFLogs to no longer interact with the game, someone else will just come up with another workaround. It would be a never-ending battle, so they choose to just look the other way. And have for years.

[Dracosavarian]

And this is the flawed argument that these threads always dissolve into: for some, optimization and playing well and using parsers to improve themselves isn’t a job. It’s their idea of fun. It’s disdainful to see that so many resort to using this argument at the end of the line as if it carries any sort of weight to it.

All I have said is that your methods don’t yield the results that you think they do. If you find them enjoyable, it’s one thing. But to imply that they work as well as or better than a parser is flawed.

If this works for you, then that’s fine. But this thread was made by someone who wants to join a high-end static that has set requirements and criteria and expectations of its joiners. Instead of advocating that they look for a static more in line with their own goals, it has instead dissolved into a thread bickering about how parsers are against the ToS, how they gatekeep Savage, those who use them seek only to turn the game into a part-time or full-time job, and they should be reported on-sight as if they were some sort of toxic blight on the community. And again, I say, “GCBTW, indeed”.

Unfortunately, yes, they often do. That inevitably cannot be helped. Individuals will often disagree when it comes to stuff like this. But I have not once stated that an individual is to be reported for parsing use.

If folks want to use it. Fine. I just feel common sense decency should follow with that use.

That, and understanding the risks involved.

I wish you well. Try and have a Happy New Years.

[VirusOnline]

The groups that do have specific goals in mind—who are you, me, or anyone else to dictate what that static does? It isn’t any of our business what the raid leader and the raid group decide are criteria for joining their group, just like it isn’t our business what a PF leader designates as criteria to join their PF.

Honestly, this is the only reply required for the OP.
Part of the culture of the game says "and you get a minion, and you get a minion, and we all get a minionnnnn". This type of content is FFA. The rules of joining and who gets what and at what cost etc is set by the game.
But when another player can actively exclude you from content you want to do ? How dare they. Savage is a part of the game that can't truly be moderated in terms of who gets to join and why. Party lead/static lead sets the rules and requirements.

But the solution is simple:
Don't like parse party ? Go join another or make your own PF.
Don't like a static who wants to know you can perform ? Go look for one that doesn't care or require proof, or go make your own and you'll quickly find out why some statics have minimum requirements to join.
Ah, but one of the biggest issues is that most people don't want to lead. Understandable. Well, better yourself or go look for a group that is more your lane.

Not meeting the requirements for PF and Static groups is usually a "it's not us, it's you" issue.
It's easier to blame parsers than to look in the mirror.