Parsing unfair but okay?

[Lunalepsy]

Parsers are not elegant enough.

[Lauren]

for arguments sake lets assume the thread is not just Bait, saying one has raided for x amount of time and simply has no logs at all because they can't/don't want to parse is more than a little bit iffy.

Which I did early on and shows a TON of parses from Shadowbringers. This is why this whole thread is a bait

[Saraide]

for arguments sake lets assume the thread is not just Bait, saying one has raided for x amount of time and simply has no logs at all because they can't/don't want to parse is more than a little bit iffy.
reality is that most groups will have someone parse and upload logs, if not to brag than for analysing purposes. even if no one i personally know would have uploaded a single log i would still have several logs for some older ex primals, and i basically never actively joined random groups to do the kills but mostly jumped in if a buddy of mine was like "hey, we still need 1 guy to fill in, you up?"

same goes for normal mode kills, which while not really great a metric do give you at least a vague idea of someones performance if they average purple+ compared to someone with more than 5 normal mode logs which are all grey aswell as a single no death 7% ex kill.

if you have no logs at all, like literally zero logs for old or current content even though you claim to have experience reaching back at least a complete expansion than i'll just assume you either lie and have no experiences at all or you have your logs hidden and draw my conclusions from there, and i assure you theres a 99% chance of being right in my assessment with that approach. Now "bad" logs are an entirely different story, unless someones logs are flat out terrible over a long enough period 90% of groups will simply throw you a bone and ask why exactly your logs are as bad they are and give you a trial run.

Yea I'd like to think that if all the logs you have over time show an improvement that will matter a lot more than individual bad logs.

[Genbe197]

If they are advertising in PF parses then just report them for breaking ToS.

[Eriane_Elis]

If they are advertising in PF parses then just report them for breaking ToS.

No one likes snitches; you'll never have real friends if you're one of those and you would just be wasting GMs time. I bet you never read the ToS, have you? They won't suspend/ban people for using parsers unless they are using it to harass other players. Going back to my first point, don't be one of those even in real life. Keep to yourself, otherwise you'll end up on everyone's shytlist and you'll be the first one to get robbed if society collapses. lol

[LisSquid]

The thing is if you do that, people will instead assume you're trying to hide bad performance and judge you anyways so you can't really win either way unless you're willing to actively grind out parse runs which will still inevitably be "not good enough" for someone out there if they aren't orange.

This may just be from being extremely lucky, but when I am asked why my logs are hidden I explain how I lived and died by Raider.IO. Just invoking the name made everyone go, "Ah, that's fair." The stress of having every single activity you do being actively logged whether you upload or not does some serious damage to the brain that I would rather not ever repeat.

[Mikey_R]

While I am for parsing, I do see why some people do not want to have their parse data public, so it does baffle me why the default is that FFlogs shows the name and doesn't just replace it with the job name. It seems silly that if you want it hidden, you have to make an account to do it when it should be the other way around. Make an account if you want to see the parses/change them to public.

There might be a reason, however, I do not know what that could potentially be.

[Dracosavarian]

No one likes snitches; you'll never have real friends if you're one of those and you would just be wasting GMs time. I bet you never read the ToS, have you? They won't suspend/ban people for using parsers unless they are using it to harass other players. Going back to my first point, don't be one of those even in real life. Keep to yourself, otherwise you'll end up on everyone's shytlist and you'll be the first one to get robbed if society collapses. lol

Since this was brought up.

Terms of Service:

Behavior that disrupts the game balance

Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools as these disrupt the balance of the game. Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited. A Game Master (GM) may speak to players to investigate and confirm "absentee" play, and if the player continues with this behavior, contrary to the GM's instructions, they will be treated as participating in "absentee" play and subject to penalties.

Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.

- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

[KageTokage]

Since this was brought up.

Terms of Service:

Behavior that disrupts the game balance

Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools as these disrupt the balance of the game. Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited. A Game Master (GM) may speak to players to investigate and confirm "absentee" play, and if the player continues with this behavior, contrary to the GM's instructions, they will be treated as participating in "absentee" play and subject to penalties.

Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.

- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

I just realized that statement is contradictory as if you try to report someone for "absentee play" the GMs will adamantly insist they can't do anything about it and redirect you to the nigh-uselessSTF instead.

[Dracosavarian]

I just realized that statement is contradictory as if you try to report someone for "absentee play" the GMs will adamantly insist they can't do anything about it and redirect you to the nigh-uselessSTF instead.

It isn’t so much the top part that covers the discussion at hand, but rather, the last two sentences.