Parsing unfair but okay?

[Raven2014]

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

How can I apply for a high-end job without any proof of education and experience?

I don't think the problem here is you finding a static, I had seen plenty of casual static recruitment that does not ask for parse ... why not join them?

As for the parse availability. If you play high-end content for a decent amount, you WILL have a parse regardless you're uploading them or not, because the people run with you probably upload theirs which including yours all the time. It's almost impossible not to have presence there. In fact, some people who does not wish to be seen have to opt-out so their logs are not shown. I highly recommend you to just search for your character name, you will see it.

The only way for you to not have a parse would be you simply play very very little.

[LittleImp]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available.

You actually do have public logs from last tier, someone else seems to have uploaded them for you. If you visit your page on FFLogs, navigate to Shadowbringers in the top left, and click the ECHO tab at the top you should see them appear.

[JanVanding]

I love the irony here. Players are gatekeeping by using parse data as constructive criticism yet reporting potential statics you applied to, and who took the time to give you a trial totally isn't scummy behavior. Anything and every excuse imaginable, I guess...

Allow me to let you in on a secret. The two most popular sources for static recruitment by a enormous margin are Discord and Reddit. Both of which are entirely outside of a GM's reach should they require logs.



If you have any PC friends who fancy doing EXs, you could ask them to parse you. Otherwise, your best option is joining "barse" parties. One thing I can suggest is logging multiple jobs if you're open to being flexible within your role. That can really help give you an edge on other potential statics. If nothing else, spam the new normal mode raids a bunch. You'll inevitably get things uploaded by someone.

If they constructively criticize then what's the problem? It's how feedback is offered that makes a difference

It is, funnily enough and this might come as a shock....

Entirely possible to politely decline someone and be constructive about it and thus create no issues whatsoever.

If you just completely dump on someone though, which is entirely against the TOS, parser or no, they are very much open to reports and should be.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

If they constructively criticize then what's the problem? It's how feedback is offered that makes a difference

It is, funnily enough and this might come as a shock....

Entirely possible to politely decline someone and be constructive about it and thus create no issues whatsoever.

If you just completely dump on someone though, which is entirely against the TOS, parser or no, they are very much open to reports and should be.

Sadly we live in an age where any critique, even well meaning and properly worded, seems to be seen as an attack against someone. Heaven forbid you want to debate someone. No one's allowed to disagree with each other now, and every rational critique is seen as a war against the other person.

[strawberrycake]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available. Four out of five statics are requiring logs in pf or discord recruitments. I've cleared the previous raid tier but I don't have the logs.

Is this never intended to be enforced and just a blanket policy with no action ever intended to be taken?

I find this a massive advantage to PC user since I don't have the option available on playstation. I don't have the ability to see if I'm improving or if my gear setup makes a difference. I'm not asking to parse but a self dps meter for consoles would make a giant difference in being competetive. Currently the only available method to test my damage is the target dummy trials but in 3 minutes it can be heavily skewed by crits/dh and the times can vary by a lot.

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

YOur best bet would be to make one yourself. Not sure how new you are to MMOs, and it can be scary, but making your own may be your best bet. A friend of mine has been doing the same for a while since its easier for them to control how they want things to go, and if needs be you can find someone with a praser to help you for the sake of your own improvement.

[ForteNightshade]

I am so sick of the gray area. Just allow them or don't. This don't ask don't tell is ridiculous and has gone on long enough.

Banning parsers outright would destroy their entire raid scene and SE knows. The gray only benefits them as the players who enjoy damage meters are satisfied yet SE doesn't have to police anything. All the good with none of the hassle.

Even if SE did want to disallow parsers. They would then have to force players to install some form of DRM to actually see what you have on your PC. Considering how universally despised DRM is. I doubt they want to go down that route even if they did care about parsers.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Banning parsers outright would destroy their entire raid scene and SE knows. The gray only benefits them as the players who enjoy damage meters are satisfied yet SE doesn't have to police anything. All the good with none of the hassle.

Even if SE did want to disallow parsers. They would then have to force players to install some form of DRM to actually see what you have on your PC. Considering how universally despised DRM is. I doubt they want to go down that route even if they did care about parsers.

Basically this.

For all the arguments parsers bring, imagine the level of rage and reeee'ing that the forums, reddit, etc would become if they had to install some type of DRM into the game to check to see if someone was running a parser.

That's why bans are only handed out if definitive proof is shown via a chatlog, or harassment occurs.

[Liam_Harper]

What can we say. The man was right. The prophecy proved itself to be true.

Rubbish. There are casual statics and statics that don't care about logs all over the place. PF is constantly full of Practice parties and even farm groups rarely look at your logs.

It's not the communities fault or the fault of parsers that the OP wants in on a high end static with no real experience and can't be bothered to join a casual one. It's never been more accessible for the casual player. The problem is that casual players don't always want to group together and progress a fight since that involves effort. They often just want the easy carry from people who know what to do.

It doesn't matter if Yoshi wants that. We don't have to pay a sub and our free time to carry people who can't be bothered.

[ForteNightshade]

If they constructively criticize then what's the problem? It's how feedback is offered that makes a difference

It is, funnily enough and this might come as a shock....

Entirely possible to politely decline someone and be constructive about it and thus create no issues whatsoever.

If you just completely dump on someone though, which is entirely against the TOS, parser or no, they are very much open to reports and should be.

Now you're being hypocritical.

Your entire post boiled down to "report them if they mention parsers!" In fact, your very first sentence was to suggest filing a report for even requiring one to join their static in the first place. This doesn't exactly invite constructive criticism nor does it give the impression your definition of "nasty" will be in any way genuine.

[Misutoraru]

I am so sick of the gray area. Just allow them or don't. This don't ask don't tell is ridiculous and has gone on long enough.

It will never be officially allow, if it is officially allow it will bring more damage than good for the FFXIV environment.

if it is strictly “you use it you got ban” policy people will still use it, because it certainly help training party.

This “grey area” is help this kind of situation where a clear “allow or ban” would not solve the problem