Parsing unfair but okay?

[Tsumdere]

Apply anyways and say you don't have logs, but are willing to do a trial run of an EX or something with them to prove competency. I run a hardcore static and we have two PS4 users who did just that.

Worst that can happen is that they decline you. In which case you did not want to be in that static anyways.

[Yeol]

If they are recruiting and you have no logs to present, the best way for them to gauge your performance is for them to play with you. Ask them to consider you in a test/trial run with current Extreme trials.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Something being impossible for them to see is NOT the same as it being allowed.

All that matters in the video is what he says the rule is.

Everything beyond that is a question of telling people whether or not it's allowed to drive 120mph down a city street if no cop is around.

It's still illegal even if you don't get caught. You just then need to decide for yourself how you view what you should do as a result.

One thing I would however advice against, is going to the police station to hand out instructions or ask for those instructions on how to drive 120mph...

When I was 16 my bicycle was stolen even though it was locked... So I went to the police station to file a report. Outside there was a guy smoking a "now legal in my state but wholly illegal back then controlled substance"... and yelling at the top of his lungs for somebody to arrest him using a slur for individuals in law enforcement. They ignored him... I still thought he was kinda stupid for picking THAT SPOT to make his statement...

Being able to get away with something is very different from something being within the rules...
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Is any code being manipulated?
Is it providing an in the moment gameplay advantage over another player?
Is it violating another player's ability to play?
Is it breaking an encounter designed by SE?


Trying to compare running a calculator to driving 120mph and recklessly endangering someone's life, or being dishonest enough to steal someone else's property is a horrible comparison.

The program in of itself hurts no one, changes nothing about the game, edits no code, does nothing dishonest. It compiles public data which is readily available in the combat log chat window.

By your logic, yes, it is against the rules of ToS to use any third party program. The same logic would make Discord a bannable offense. The same logic should mean that FFlogs should be taken down.

You see anyone getting banned for that? No. It's 100% about the spirit of the enforcement in this case and not the letter. People use it to harass, they get banned. Someone's an idiot with it, they get banned.

A static quietly using their calculator to enhance their own personal play by seeing what they are doing wrong and improving themselves isn't getting banned.

[Avidria]

The midcore to hardcore casuals are about to come in.

I can smell it.

That and popcorn.

Edit; It’s also against ToS to use Discord but I’ll keep utilizing it as a tool to improve my gameplay experience.

I'm gonna be real and say if any game, period, started handing out bans for using third party software entirely unrelated to the game (like voice chat apps) I'd straight up quit myself lmao

Not directed at you but like man. I admittedly only skimmed the article where they mentioned Discord technically being against the ToS, but I very much got the impression that it was sort of a "in order to hunt down and ban people using parsers we'd need to use invasive methods and also technically go to the extreme of banning every third party anything" and like... It's so absurd that I just can't even imagine it being taken or used seriously lmao

Anyway yeah OP find a friend or somebody willing to help out is the advice really. Or do what others have suggested and request a trial run. Everyone parsing is doing it at risk obviously but SE is also extremely unlikely to do anything about it unless someone does something silly like link numbers or admit to doing it in chat. So. Take that as you will.

[JanVanding]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available. Four out of five statics are requiring logs in pf or discord recruitments. I've cleared the previous raid tier but I don't have the logs.

Is this never intended to be enforced and just a blanket policy with no action ever intended to be taken?

I find this a massive advantage to PC user since I don't have the option available on playstation. I don't have the ability to see if I'm improving or if my gear setup makes a difference. I'm not asking to parse but a self dps meter for consoles would make a giant difference in being competetive. Currently the only available method to test my damage is the target dummy trials but in 3 minutes it can be heavily skewed by crits/dh and the times can vary by a lot.

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

1. Parsing Data is okay, but they should not be making it a requirement and they're welcoming hell fire from GMs by doing that.

2. They could however circumvent that and actually offer to do a trial run with you of an EX to see how you stack up, just remember in this situation you are consenting to them parsing you and accepting they will make a decision on that Data. As long as they're cordial and you're okay with that, that could be an Avenue for you.

3. However if you do agree and they get nasty about your performance using the data, then do report them as they're not trying to be helpful or build on the raiding community, they're just using the parser as an attempt to gate keep and that is not allowed..


Hope that helps!

[Hawuhawuu]

1. Parsing Data is okay, but they should not be making it a requirement and they're welcoming hell fire from GMs by doing that.

2. They could however circumvent that and actually offer to do a trial run with you of an EX to see how you stack up, just remember in this situation you are consenting to them parsing you and accepting they will make a decision on that Data. As long as they're cordial and you're okay with that, that could be an Avenue for you.

3. However if you do agree and they get nasty about your performance using the data, then do report them as they're not trying to be helpful or build on the raiding community, they're just using the parser as an attempt to gate keep and that is not allowed..


Hope that helps!

I'm pro parse and would never report someone for stating the truth. It comes to a point where if you don't carry your weight you can't beat a dps check. I would gladly welcome all feedback if it helps me improve both positive and negative. It's an amazing tool for self improvement. I get a bit salty for the fact that I don't have the ability to improve at all times only in very few moments when logs are available.

The trial run is a good idea. I guess would have limit myself to ex2 since ninja is kinda broken in the first one with the binding locking it out of attacking which lines up with trick attack windows.

[ForteNightshade]

1. Parsing Data is okay, but they should not be making it a requirement and they're welcoming hell fire from GMs by doing that.

2. They could however circumvent that and actually offer to do a trial run with you of an EX to see how you stack up, just remember in this situation you are consenting to them parsing you and accepting they will make a decision on that Data. As long as they're cordial and you're okay with that, that could be an Avenue for you.

3. However if you do agree and they get nasty about your performance using the data, then do report them as they're not trying to be helpful or build on the raiding community, they're just using the parser as an attempt to gate keep and that is not allowed..


Hope that helps!

I love the irony here. Players are gatekeeping by using parse data as constructive criticism yet reporting potential statics you applied to, and who took the time to give you a trial totally isn't scummy behavior. Anything and every excuse imaginable, I guess...

Allow me to let you in on a secret. The two most popular sources for static recruitment by a enormous margin are Discord and Reddit. Both of which are entirely outside of a GM's reach should they require logs.

I'm pro parse and would never report someone for stating the truth. It comes to a point where if you don't carry your weight you can't beat a dps check. I would gladly welcome all feedback if it helps me improve both positive and negative. It's an amazing tool for self improvement. I get a bit salty for the fact that I don't have the ability to improve at all times only in very few moments when logs are available.

The trial run is a good idea. I guess would have limit myself to ex2 since ninja is kinda broken in the first one with the binding locking it out of attacking which lines up with trick attack windows.

If you have any PC friends who fancy doing EXs, you could ask them to parse you. Otherwise, your best option is joining "barse" parties. One thing I can suggest is logging multiple jobs if you're open to being flexible within your role. That can really help give you an edge on other potential statics. If nothing else, spam the new normal mode raids a bunch. You'll inevitably get things uploaded by someone.

[Yamr3]

There's usually to always some group in Party Finder that's doing a parse run. Parsing is only against the rules when you use it as a means to ruin someone else's gameplay experience. So, join a run, get the job done, check to see if it's there, improve, apply to statics, and move on.

[Liam_Harper]

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

Run some PF farm groups in EX or such. Those are nearly always logged by someone else.

If you're unwilling to PF, or if your logs turned out to be bad, you weren't ready for a high end static. There's no shame in bad logs, just plug the log into xivanalysis, see where you need to improve and keep practicing in PF until you're at the level you need.

Reporting the groups does nothing so ignore that advice. Even if the devs rushed to your aid and banned all those statics, it wouldn't get you a group. High end groups would find some other way to measure you. It's not about exclusion (many decent statics will even accept mediocre logs if you have good motivation), it's about ensuring their new team member is ready for the content they plan to do.

[Bobby66]

Clear the current ex trials you will get a parse posted. Just do your best.