Parsing unfair but okay?

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

parsing and mods/addons in general are against the rules so just report any such group you find

Here we go again. Show us on the doll where the bad parser touched you.

If you harass someone using the parsing data as the reason, that's an offense. You will be disciplined because you harassed someone. The reason you would be banned would be for harassment, not because of the parser, because SE cannot in any way prove you have a parser. They cannot see what is running on your system, in any way shape or form.

Harassing people = Bad
Looking at numbers and not harassing people = Fine

To the OP:

Like the above stated, join a PF EX run. Or, speak to one of those groups recruiting and explain your situation. Generally one of the group will be a recruiter and would take you on a PF EX run or something equivalent to get data to see.

It does need to be said, that if you in any way get harassed about it, the harassment is a reportable offense.

[Makeda]

Here we go again. Show us on the doll where the bad parser touched you.

If you harass someone using the parsing data as the reason, that's an offense. You will be disciplined because you harassed someone. The reason you would be banned would be for harassment, not because of the parser, because SE cannot in any way prove you have a parser. They cannot see what is running on your system, in any way shape or form.

Harassing people = Bad
Looking at numbers and not harassing people = Fine

Actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

- That is their stance on parsers. That's Yoshi-P talking into the camera right there.

What people think of them, for or against. Harassment or not - all of that is of no consequence.


That noted... if you join a parsing run and somebody else does the parsing and gives you a link to your results, send that to whoever you're applying to.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

- That is their stance on parsers. That's Yoshi-P talking into the camera right there.

What people think of them, for or against. Harassment or not - all of that is of no consequence.


That noted... if you join a parsing run and somebody else does the parsing and gives you a link to your results, send that to whoever you're applying to.

YoshiP does say to not use them in that video, and then right after follows up with it's a grey area and that SE cannot see what is running on your system.

YoshiP is trying to heavily discourage the harassment mentality, and the mentality of "You must parse THIS high to access THIS content".

SE cannot see the program running. Therefore, for any ban to happen, they have to have proof. When someone is harassing someone else via chat and using that data to belittle them, there's the proof. To back themselves up legally, the reason for the ban would be "harassment", because SE can prove that via their chat logs. They cannot, 100%, prove you have a parser.

EDIT: Or, as someone else stated, someone being a complete idiot and basically admitting they are running it via the in game chat. For which anyone with half a brain wouldn't.

[kejakalope]

EDIT: Or, as someone else stated, someone being a complete idiot and basically admitting they are running it via the in game chat. For which anyone with half a brain wouldn't.

Half a brain is not a requirement to install either FFXIV or a parser, alas. I saw someone come -to this very forum- to shit-talk another user, to their face, using their parse data, about a week ago.

[Risvertasashi]

Half a brain is not a requirement to install either FFXIV or a parser, alas. I saw someone come -to this very forum- to shit-talk another user, to their face, using their parse data, about a week ago.

So that kind of person gets nuked by the GMs and deserves every bit of it.

[kejakalope]

So that kind of person gets nuked by the GMs and deserves every bit of it.

yyyyyyyyyyyep, that's how it be

[DrFlesh]

Half a brain is not a requirement to install either FFXIV or a parser, alas. I saw someone come -to this very forum- to shit-talk another user, to their face, using their parse data, about a week ago.

but you don't even need to have act installed to see another person logs, i can go to fflogs and check your name and actually see that you have logs from the last exp, where you running a parser? should i report you?
should i start spamming on your server that you run parsers just because you have a couple of logs on fflogs?

[Makeda]

YoshiP does say to not use them in that video,

[...some pointless stuff about being able to run a red light as long as nobody's looking which is a topic about the grey areas of 'ethics' / 'choices' and NOT about 'rules'...]

SE cannot see the program running.

Something being impossible for them to see is NOT the same as it being allowed.

All that matters in the video is what he says the rule is.

Everything beyond that is a question of telling people whether or not it's allowed to drive 120mph down a city street if no cop is around.

It's still illegal even if you don't get caught. You just then need to decide for yourself how you view what you should do as a result.

One thing I would however advice against, is going to the police station to hand out instructions or ask for those instructions on how to drive 120mph...

When I was 16 my bicycle was stolen even though it was locked... So I went to the police station to file a report. Outside there was a guy smoking a "now legal in my state but wholly illegal back then controlled substance"... and yelling at the top of his lungs for somebody to arrest him using a slur for individuals in law enforcement. They ignored him... I still thought he was kinda stupid for picking THAT SPOT to make his statement...

Being able to get away with something is very different from something being within the rules...
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[xxmiamorecadenza]

Something being impossible for them to see is NOT the same as it being allowed.

All that matters in the video is what he says the rule is.

Everything beyond that is a question of telling people whether or not it's allowed to drive 120mph down a city street if no cop is around.

It's still illegal even if you don't get caught. You just then need to decide for yourself how you view what you should do as a result.

One thing I would however advice against, is going to the police station to hand out instructions or ask for those instructions on how to drive 120mph...

Driving 120mph is likely to kill someone - including yourself. Running a parser isn’t even remotely comparable.

[Makeda]

Driving 120mph is likely to kill someone - including yourself. Running a parser isn’t even remotely comparable.

-woosh-

I see analogies are not a strong point with you. Try them, to read the rest of the statement and think very vary very hard... until you perhaps understand the concept of what I was saying.

ps: In my example above... whoever stole my bike back when I was a kid got away with it. They were never caught. Does that mean it was within the rules allowed for them to steal it? No. It just means they got away with. Different advice applies to that individual for guiding their conduct...

pps: The example I gave of the guy outside the police station clearly violating the then state law? He did that because "everybody knew" the cops in my town didn't enforce that law. And so he got away with it, then. But if a private citizen had gone into the station and filed a complaint - they had a rule, and now a complaint - and they would have then enforced it.