Hackers still rampant despite multiple reports - Please give visibility on this.

[KageTokage]

I think they need to just give the GMs authority to act on cheaters at this point.

It's important to be able to catch people ASAP if there's a noticeable and obvious flaw in their cheating that makes it impossible to deny that foul play is in involved because the insanely delayed responses from the STF means that by the time they actually investigate the player in question will have likely fixed the problem and won't be showing any red flags.

Though that mostly applies to the glitched-out bots I've seen getting stuck on walls or in endless mounting/dismounting cycles among other oddities.

[Mega96]

... Are you serious right now? You made huge assumption and then topic switch from the main issue (hacking and cheating without getting punished) into a different issue (PVP isn't popular due to how unwelcoming the veterans are) with very generalized statements.

lmao for those of you who are complaining about this, you probably don't actually play Frontlines all that often.

Streamer here was top 1 frontline standing on DC-wide Monthly. Hacker is known within a discord that's filled with sweats who consistently hold top 5 top 10 top 20 Frontline standing weekly/monthly REGION-wide and DC-wide on https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...king/frontline. If you want to argue "who cares, it just counts win so the more you play the higher you rank" then we have people who can easily give you live screenshots of 80-90% Win Rate on 60+ match parses.

none of these players are ever very good

Hacker was part of our PVP community before we started catching them and calling them out. They are, I hate to say it, better than the usual player and consistently getting >20 kills and sit at top of leaderboard.

I recommend using my macro to see who they are so you can see their impact afterwards

I appreciate the suggestion here but we can easily target them and examine them like the video you see above. The only difference is that yours put a "1" mark on everyone else to see but besides the vets, the casual just think it's a marked person and that's it.

Unsurprisingly, people who are obviously using scripts and bots are generally nowhere near the top of the charts after a match, so you really don't have much to worry about. Nine out of ten times, the reason your team doesn't win is because they're feeding or ignoring objectives, not because of "hackers."

Again, one of the "if it doesn't happen to me then surely it doesn't happen to others" statement that I already addressed above. Two things I want to tackle here:

1. You brought up winning as if winning is all that matters in PvP and that losing is bad PvP experience: Sure, try winning in a match where all you do is cap points and the other two team duke it out getting BH5 and they just run over you but decide to leave you alone cuz fighting the other team is more fun... Personally, I don't mind losing as long as we get good fights.

2. You obviously underestimate the value of a Good player who can utilize Fetterward let alone a PERMANENT one.

I still think one of the biggest issues with the PvP community is ... to steamroll everyone).

I'm so taken aback by this part I don't even know what to say... You suddenly switch to a different topic... then make a general statement on how vets aren't welcoming of newcomers... then say newcomers go around and accuse vets of cheating... because we don't acknowledge them... then start speaking as if giving tips to new players...

[Garuketo]

Ah, there we go - that's more like it. The typical accusation from sweaty kids who play PvP.

Although hackers are annoying (I'm not disagreeing with you there), what I'm saying is that unless you can show that they're having a big impact on the outcome of a Frontlines match (again, you can share their post-game states without sharing their name), the much bigger issue with PvP in this game is people not knowing what the objectives are or just being bad in general. That the majority of people who do Frontlines are doing it solely once a day for the roulette experience certainly isn't helping in that regard. Also, for the record, there are hackers on servers other than just Primal. I run into them occasionally. They're just generally bad.

People like you are the reason others can openly cheat in the game and no-one bats an eye. Who cares how much of an impact the cheater has on the game if they are still cheating at the end of the day. So what if a majority of people who play frontlines just play for their daily exp and don't know how to properly play each map. What right does that give cheaters to ruin the experience of the people who want to win the game or just play for fun?

[Divinemights]

Ah, there we go - that's more like it. The typical accusation from sweaty kids who play PvP.

Although hackers are annoying (I'm not disagreeing with you there), what I'm saying is that unless you can show that they're having a big impact on the outcome of a Frontlines match (again, you can share their post-game states without sharing their name), the much bigger issue with PvP in this game is people not knowing what the objectives are or just being bad in general. That the majority of people who do Frontlines are doing it solely once a day for the roulette experience certainly isn't helping in that regard. Also, for the record, there are hackers on servers other than just Primal. I run into them occasionally. They're just generally bad.

/Facepalm
Unbelievable, every words out of you are simply wrong to the core.
Rules are not mean to be broken.
You can keep your non sense to yourself.

[Kafuru]

Ah, there we go - that's more like it. The typical accusation from sweaty kids who play PvP.

Although hackers are annoying (I'm not disagreeing with you there), what I'm saying is that unless you can show that they're having a big impact on the outcome of a Frontlines match (again, you can share their post-game states without sharing their name), the much bigger issue with PvP in this game is people not knowing what the objectives are or just being bad in general. That the majority of people who do Frontlines are doing it solely once a day for the roulette experience certainly isn't helping in that regard. Also, for the record, there are hackers on servers other than just Primal. I run into them occasionally. They're just generally bad.

Here's some recent games from Last week showing the "big impact" the hacker is having on the match, I can provide more if needed. The impact of the user is irrelevant though, who cares if they're bad or good. Hacking is wrong in either case and ruins the experience of both the people doing it daily for the experience and the "sweaty pvp players". Feel free to move the goalposts again though about how 30 and 38 kills isn't having a big impact on the outcome of the frontline match. (they won both matches)

[Luluna]

I used to do a lot of frontlines as it was fun but for the past few months I was noticing this a lot and I usually just go in for my daily exp.

I have seen people just standing around or moving way faster than they should and also not clicking flags, this makes me think of how many matches are being thrown for wins.

I love a good battle but if the other player is cheating it annoys me >.<

[KageTokage]

This is liable to get worse in 6.1 with an increased interest in PvP due to the revamps, so I can only pray something changes by then (Though I've been praying for a more responsive/productive moderation team since I started playing back in HW, so...)

It's particularly egregious here because it's not even subtle unlike, say, the typical bots that have an unusual movement pattern but (usually) aren't doing anything blatantly impossible.

While they reacted very quickly to the free trial bots invading PvP, I feel like that was probably more the result of someone tweeting videos of it to the official JP XIV twitter so it seems like the only way to make things happen is to get problems noticed by the higher ups.

[Garuketo]

This is liable to get worse in 6.1 with an increased interest in PvP due to the revamps, so I can only pray something changes by then (Though I've been praying for a more responsive/productive moderation team since I started playing back in HW, so...)

It's particularly egregious here because it's not even subtle unlike, say, the typical bots that have an unusual movement pattern but (usually) aren't doing anything blatantly impossible.

While they reacted very quickly to the free trial bots invading PvP, I feel like that was probably more the result of someone tweeting videos of it to the official JP XIV twitter so it seems like the only way to make things happen is to get problems noticed by the higher ups.

I hope they address how they are going to handle/monitor PvP cheating in the 6.1 Live Letter because the tools used to do these cheats are easily accessible and whether or not a cheater gets banned for it is a coin flip at best right now.

[DoH]

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Wow, based on the screenshots, it looks like you all actually have somewhat competent players that're doing this on your server - I'm sorry to hear that and for making assumptions. You're absolutely right - most of the hackers that I've personally come across on Aether were more of an annoyance than anything (as I said, they were using something that would let them run super fast and jump super far, making it impossible to catch them; a slightly more annoying version that I've experienced is players who are able to pick you out of a group of tons of your teammates and auto-silence you as soon as you start casting LB). Having said that, I still don't think those kind of stats would lead to an 80~90% win rate unless they're doing this in premades with other good players (as their post-game stats are not at all uncommon for a decent player - especially for someone who has infinite fetter ward as a MNK). Are people reporting this person and SE is just ignoring the reports? Is it the typical issue of SE being unwilling to look at videos and other evidence posted to third-party sources and accepting only "in-game" proof? If so, that's dumb and SE needs to get their crap together.

Notwithstanding the above, I still believe that the biggest issue plaguing PvP in this game is how poor of a job SE has done at helping players understand the basic mechanics of the mode. For example, with respect to Secure, nothing in the game nor on Lodestone tells players how many points you get per server tick for each base captured versus killing drones versus killing the big node (nor when any of these spawn); the same thing goes for all of the objectives in Seize, Onsal, and Shatter - most of the team generally has no idea how many points things give and so they don't know what to prioritize. It is also utterly unclear to many players that your team gains / loses points for kills / deaths (and how Battle High plays into that). In fact, many players don't even know what Battle High is. In Rival Wings, you are basically at the mercy of hoping that the people who take your team's Brute Justices have any idea what they're doing and don't just hang out in the base. Because SE does such a bad job at teaching people the basic mechanics of PvP, you generally end up with teams where at least half of the players have no idea what they're doing. Sometimes, if you call out objectives, people will follow, but it's always like herding cats. The only place players can really go to figure out how to play these modes well is resources such as the existing PvP community, which is often very exclusive / elitist (my earlier point) and drives many newcomers away. It becomes a vicious cycle that results in an abundance of matches where your team is in 2nd place and attacking the 3rd place team while the 1st place team is off capturing all of the objectives. I think that hackers would stand out much less if SE bothered to teach players how to play this mode (instead of just throwing them into matches and hoping they'll figure it out - 9 times out of 10, they don't). I've sadly seen many more games ruined by indifferent players who are not given the tools to succeed (or who are just there for the exp and feed) than hackers.

[Kes13a]

We really can't do anything. We are just the English forums, the red headed stepchild that SE don' care about.

You need to report it to the 4 person Japanese based "Special Task Force". Bottom option of https://support.na.square-enix.com/c...382&la=1&fty=2

It's only 4 people, but if you keep it up, they might act eventually.

dont hold your breath. the crafting/gathering community has been reporting cheaters using bots for YEARS, with in depth reports and... crickets.

reality is, 4 people isnt nearly enough to investigate reports on the Japanese servers, let alone any other region of the planet