Healers please

[-BlueGreen-]

Don't try to do dungeons and trials without heals. Just no.

Sure, you don't want to throw just anyone into that type of gameplay, but I'm skilled enough to cover healing on either my PLD or RDM in many dungeons. When I do get the chance for a full (or heck, 3 man) dungeon run with FC members, I often convince them we don't need a proper healer. The initial reactions are funny, but we end up having a blast as mobs and bosses just melt under the pressure of 3x DPS + Tank in a dungeon. Plus, budgeting and timing heals/MP becomes much more critical in those scenarios which makes things interesting for me, and I have to adapt to mechanics that were designed with a proper healer in mind. It's great fun to break away from the boring script and seeing just what we can get away with, but I know that kind of pressure isn't fun for everyone.

After reading what I have on WAR lately, though, I'm certainly going to have to give it a try once SE fixes the stupid audio issues. I just can't bring myself to log in most of the time because playing with sound muted is a huge downer.

[Dogempire]

also this boogeyman healer that never heals............. i wonder just how well people can read the situation? is the cohealer really the one "doing all the healing" or is it someone who spams succor or medica at the smallest boobo? i have runs of zodiark with a healing percentile of 0 and i still have like 70% overheal because they cant fathom waiting 10 seconds for earthly star to detonate. the only time ive ever truly had the kind of cohealer that never heals is in ultimate statics, and its funnily always a whm without exception because well, whm has 0 free heals. in contrast, almost everyone i encounter on pf wont let me heal even when i want to.

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

People who spam gcd heals are way more common than people who never heal, but both are still types of bad play and just because one is more common shouldn't mean that the other is any worse, not that I'm accusing you of saying that, mind you.

You're failing to strike the right balance either way, and by spamming damage spells you're basically going lazy in the other direction (See: not using regens or mapping out ogcd heals to avoid messing up your 1 button dps rotation)

[Raven2014]

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

That's not really because of DPS, that's just being bad. It has been mentioned many times healer have more than enough tool currently to deal with these kind of thing. Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

[Dogempire]

That's not really because of DPS, that's just being bad. It has been mentioned many times healer have more than enough tool currently to deal with these kind of thing. Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

I literally just called it playing badly

[Penthea]

Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

A problem is some healers think they are. Some entirely refuse to heal or entirely refuse to dps. It's a healer's job to do both. They have buttons for both.

And frankly I find the ones who refuse to heal simply because there is another healer to be lazy. They're pressing one button 99% of the time while they expect the other healer to be strategic with a wide range of abilities. By refusing to heal in a fight with a lot of damage they're literally demanding to get carried.

That is not to say that I think refusing to dps is any good. I am just quite tired of people romanticising healers who don't heal in high damage fights without thinking of the position that puts the other healer in, especially if they didn't even agree to it.

[Exosapien]

prognosis ect.

Never. Not even once. If you're grouped with a sage and they're hard casting heals, you're in more trouble than you know. Especially in the two current extremes.

[QooEr]

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

People who spam gcd heals are way more common than people who never heal, but both are still types of bad play and just because one is more common shouldn't mean that the other is any worse, not that I'm accusing you of saying that, mind you.

You're failing to strike the right balance either way, and by spamming damage spells you're basically going lazy in the other direction (See: not using regens or mapping out ogcd heals to avoid messing up your 1 button dps rotation)

i guess i understand your point. its honestly really hard to truly know how real this problem is because well... you dont clear if you wipe, so you cant really have any data on that. most of it seems anecdotal to me but maybe thats because i usually play healer and not dps.

though with how much people bring up glare, id reckon its more of the same issue whm has had since forever: the healy healer with the highest healing opportunity cost. i bet that if assize had 2 charges and misery was dps neutral then these complaints would be virtually gone.

[Shialan]

Please stop calling yourself a healer "main" if you do not know how to properly manage healthbars, especially with a co healer. I don't know how often you ran EX1, but if you still did not understand how the first minute of the fight works healwise, you shouldn't join any farm groups and practice more.

[ClaudeHerel]

There's two types of pug healers, 11111 spammers that don't realize they have ogcd heals, and medica II spammers that don't realize they have ogcd heals.

[OranKells]

I am continuously amused by the should healers dps question that comes up. I don't know if this a preconception from WoW or other games where healers are expected to not dps at all or what exactly; but in this game healers are expect to do both.

In the ARR days we had cleric stance which was the healers dps mode. People took this to mean that healers should only dps in certain spaces. some people would do a stance dance to weave in the occasional stone or bio but for the most part a lot of healers couldn't/wouldn't dps.

but eventually clerics stance is removed and healers are now allowed and even encouraged to do dps, whm even gets a big blood lily. you even get some spells that do both! look at assize and stellar explosion.

Now we even get a new healer with damage spells that add a passive heal. What is not clear??


but to get to the immediate issue at hand of a co healer not pulling their weight. I'd suggest to force them by healing less and dpsing more. I know it sounds counter intuitive but if you keep them alive and just not at full it may encourage them to press some of their own buttons, not to mention the tank's or dps' mitigation buttons.

Have faith that the other party members will put their weight. And if they don't let them die once or twice. It's the only way they'll learn.