Healers please

[LittleImp]

The topic of the thread isn't healers who are able to balance dps and healing- it's very clearly about healers who spam damage and let others die and groups wipe, or just have the other healer do all the healing and not help- which according to some is good group play.

new players- who come into the game, get yelled at for healing in dungeons, get told by content creators to only heal at low health... then get into groups and are spamming damage spells as the group wipes over and over.

You were saying that the way new healers are taught to approach healing is a fundamental part of some supposed wide-spread problem where healers aren't healing. That implies you believe this approach should change, and I disagree. People don't interpret phrases like "The only health point that matters is the last one" literally, and I've seen zero evidence that this supposed widespread problem exists. I spend a lot of time spamming Mentor roulette, and just don't see this in game at all.

You say you find healers who just heal a bigger issue than those who don't damage... but a healer that just heals, you're still going to finish anything below maybe savage/ult. A healer that just deals damage, you're going to wipe constantly and not finish anything.

I have never seen a healer refuse to heal in a normal mode to the degree that it genuinely obstructed the party. I've seen co-healers that barely heal in normal modes, but the healing requirements in that content tend to be so low that even an inexperienced player can readily solo-heal them with minimal disruption to the way they usually play.

There is something I have seen, however, at all levels of the game from normals to Ultimate; Healers that underperform and struggle will frequently try to offload blame onto their co-healer. I've watched people launch into rants about how their co-healer "isn't doing anything", only to have to explain to the person that their co-healer is outhealing them: They just aren't getting carried as hard as they are used to and are experiencing what it's like to hold up their end of the partnership. It's the commonality of that type of situation that makes people very incredulous of threads like this.

Also, Healers and Tanks shouldn't receive blame for failing to adjust to someone else's mistake; Effective recovery is something that should be praised, but never expected and certainly not criticized in its absence. If someone dies because they ate an aoe shortly before a raid-wide, that's 100% on them. I've seen waaay too may instances of "WHERE WERE THE HEALS" moments where someone tries to offload responsibility for their own mistake onto the healer.

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If you never encounter that, great- but if you do encounter that, is that good play? Is not healing and letting groups wipe good play as a healer? Encouraging that, and there are people here straight up saying they won't heal players even if that could save them because they'd rather dps, is encouraging really bad play.

Please stop trying to create crazy straw-men. I will not engage with unrealistic hypothetical scenarios.

[OranKells]

look I'll put down asluym and maybe medica 2 before I start holy spamming. i'll weave in assize and tetra as needed. If you died its because you stood in the bad. A quarter health is fine. the regens will handle it.

[BaconBits]

It's pretty clear the 'healers are actually dps!' thing that content creators and this forum push has been very effective. It's become very noticeable since EW launch that healers think they're DPS, and having groups for all sorts of content where they're attacking the boss with two people dead and the rest of the party at quarter health is becoming the norm.

So I guess good job content creators- at least each wipe gives them more time to parse.

You're less likely to die from a lack of healing than you are from eating 1 or 2 vuln snacks to be honest. Blaming your failures on healers for, Gods above, using their 2-3 dps spells instead of spamming their cure 1s and medica 2s like good little healbots isn't a good look.

[Silver-Strider]

You're less likely to die from a lack of healing than you are from eating 1 or 2 vuln snacks to be honest. Blaming your failures on healers for, Gods above, using their 2-3 dps spells instead of spamming their cure 1s and medica 2s like good little healbots isn't a good look.

Tbf, both situations can happen. I've died on my PLD quite a few times in synched content, coming out of Hallowed Ground because the healer wouldn't heal me at all.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

You're less likely to die from a lack of healing than you are from eating 1 or 2 vuln snacks to be honest. Blaming your failures on healers for, Gods above, using their 2-3 dps spells instead of spamming their cure 1s and medica 2s like good little healbots isn't a good look.

Most fights have zone wide aoe damage nowadays- it's a far slower death yes than taking a double avoidable for twice your health... but I've had more than a few wipes recently where the raid's low health and one of those unavoidable is about to go out while the healer is spamming dps.

It's very noticeable when the team's within health range of dying to the next unavoidable, and the healer's at 80% mana, spamming dps, then half the team's dead.

Nobody's blaming healers for dpsing- but if they're dpsing while the team wipes, I think it's pretty fair. This is the only mmo community where healers will let people die so they can squeeze out damage and people think that's fine.

EW normal raid two for example- the boss does frequent zonewide damage that each do more than half your health damage even with no vuln stacks, and while that may be an extreme example, it's not uncommon for heavy hitting unavoidable damage to go out. I'd rather have encounters finish a bit slower with less healer dps rather than wipe over and over even while people are doing mechanics correctly.

... and frankly, even if people do mess up and take a vuln stack every once in a while, deciding not to heal those people to focus on spamming dps instead is a really bad habit that content creators have fostered in the ffxiv community.

[BaconBits]

Tbf, both situations can happen. I've died on my PLD quite a few times in synched content, coming out of Hallowed Ground because the healer wouldn't heal me at all.

Not saying it can't happen, just saying that you're more likely to get healers that'll cure bomb you the instant you drop below 100% than the opposite. Those kind of healers are also usually the type to panic in actual "ah crap" situations, the ones who'll blow through all of their cooldowns in record time only to realize they no longer have any abilities to deal with it. On the other end of the curebot spectrum, you have the kind that would rather run dry on mp from spamming aoe heals than even glance at their offglobal abilities.

Personally, I'd rather deal with a dps happy healer that doesn't quite know their limits than a healer that doesn't even attempt to go out of their comfort zone and opts to spam the very first heal they've learned because "it worked before" and saves all their off globals for "emergencies".

[OranKells]

if you're dying to predictable telegraphed raidwides because of low hp that is the healers fault 100%. Healers should be dpsing but not at any cost.

if you're dying to raidwides at ~75% hp because you had 2 vuln stacks thats on you. It's not a bad habit, dps need to git gud too sometimes. pop that second wind folks.

it's team game everyone has a a part to play and don't expect your healers to overcompensate for other's inability to stand out of the bright orange circles.

[Saraide]

if you're dying to predictable telegraphed raidwides because of low hp that is the healers fault 100%. Healers should be dpsing but not at any cost.

if you're dying to raidwides at ~75% hp because you had 2 vuln stacks thats on you. It's not a bad habit, dps need to git gud too sometimes. pop that second wind folks.

it's team game everyone has a a part to play and don't expect your healers to overcompensate for other's inability to stand out of the bright orange circles.

Take hits responsibly but dont forget that predictable raidwides should also be mitigated and there are many tools for that between all 8 party members.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

if you're dying to predictable telegraphed raidwides because of low hp that is the healers fault 100%. Healers should be dpsing but not at any cost.

if you're dying to raidwides at ~75% hp because you had 2 vuln stacks thats on you. It's not a bad habit, dps need to git gud too sometimes. pop that second wind folks.

it's team game everyone has a a part to play and don't expect your healers to overcompensate for other's inability to stand out of the bright orange circles.

Letting the team wipe when you could prevent it by healing is... good team play?

This is what I'm talking about, people actually think this in this community.

[Saraide]

Letting the team wipe when you could prevent it by healing is... good team play?

This is what I'm talking about, people actually think this in this community.

So you just try to eat every vuln stack that exists and then blame the healer? That's what you're saying right now when you respond like that.