Healers please

[technole]

Some people think WHM doesn't heal a lot because they look at the cast bars, when the meta is more about relying on lilies which are instant GCDs, also the Lily Bell mitigates practially all the bleed in Extreme 1 that you don't even need Medica 2.

[Recon1o6]

Something OP and a few others here seem to forget is how strong the regen healing is and how rare unavoidable raidwide damage is

As healers, our job is to keep the party alive for the next unavoidable bout of damage (topping off is only neccessary with doom or white hole) dish out our share of the damage, then fix the mistakes of the other players (top them up/rez)

-the hp to one and styx are 30s apart
-e7s has a full 2 minutes between 2 lots of aoe healing
-emerald weapon extreme has 90s cycles of healing
-ex2 trial is mostly one hit kills rather than damage
-most mechanics are avoidable and you are expected to do mechanics and avoid them
-healers are supposed to use OGCD heals first. The frequency and strength of these eclipses gcd heals
-regens work over time. if the next roomwide hit is going to hit after the regens have finished, whats the point of using another heal?

[technole]

Something OP and a few others here seem to forget is how strong the regen healing is and how rare unavoidable raidwide damage is

As healers, our job is to keep the party alive for the next unavoidable bout of damage (topping off is only neccessary with doom or white hole) dish out our share of the damage, then fix the mistakes of the other players (top them up/rez)

Exactly. I imagine the OP and a lot of people even in this thread have what I call "lifebar anxiety". Just because HP looks low doesn't mean you'll die to the next mechanic, the job of a healer is the keep people alive, not keep people at 100% at all-times.

Like WHM should use up asylum and lilies, the bell and everything else before Medica II is ever needed.

If anything Endwalker addressed this even better with bell because White Mage was always the 'weakest' healer at the beginning of fights.

The way optimized groups worked was they do let the SCH use the fairy and/or Whispering Dawn to regen heal beginning of fights over casting Medica II or Cure III. Or AST's Earthly Star would blow up and handle the healing. All the while the WHM builds up the lily bar.

[Raven2014]

Current the EX contents do not need any GCD heal, period. Regardless of the healer combo you have, there are enough ... no ... MORE than enough oGCD to keep the party up. If you are for any reason feel you have to cover for your co-healer, then that mean you are either overcompensating out of anxiety, or your co-healer is not pressing their oGCD. The DPS argument is completely irrelvant, you just have the case of bad healers one way or another.

[RecoveryPotion]

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

I had another healer (I was the second healer) in an alliance raid straight up tell me, if you need to heal in this raid you're bad. And then they literally did not heal a single time during even though people did still need healing. And I was just like.. people still take damage though? new players are still learning mechs though?? I don't understand the mentality of playing a healer and then refusing to heal and leaving it all to the other healer. yes, I get balance healing and dps but just not healing is toxic and if so why even play a healer.

[Deceptus]

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

The WHM probably didn't use Medica 2 because an Afflatus Rapture is good enough or even add an Asylum.

Just like a decent SCH doesn't need Succor much when Sacred Soil / Indom / Whispering Dawn can cover most anything especially if the Indom has Recitation before it.

No, because they were all spamming their self healing skills and begging the PLDs to save them.

If they were slamming their self heals then they were doing it right. Those self heals don't exist to be ignored. Especially the melee with Bloodbath. If they are halfway decent, Bloodbath can get them to full easily.

[Thatusernameistaken]

I wish there were more "floor is lava" mechanics where the raid takes periodic damage for either the entire fight or several minutes straight just to give healers something to do besides DPS and weave their big oGCD heal for everything.

[Packetdancer]

I wish there were more "floor is lava" mechanics where the raid takes periodic damage for either the entire fight or several minutes straight just to give healers something to do besides DPS and weave their big oGCD heal for everything.

I've definitely been pleased to notice more and more comparatively spicy DoTs since late ShB. E11S, Delubrum Reginae's savage variant, the water-is-lava variant in P2N, the raidwide-with-bleed in the first EW extreme...

I mean, none of those bleeds are that difficult to manage, but they're a lot chonkier than the sort of DoTs/bleeds we generally saw before, and you do need to manage them with something.

[Bearded]

When I started to level a WHM I was just about to enter into a duty with two healers and I asked in FC chat - what's the deal with two healers like does one heal the main tank and the others the dps or what. The best reply I got was "that's what party chat is for - communicate never assume"

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I had another healer (I was the second healer) in an alliance raid straight up tell me, if you need to heal in this raid you're bad. And then they literally did not heal a single time during even though people did still need healing. And I was just like.. people still take damage though? new players are still learning mechs though?? I don't understand the mentality of playing a healer and then refusing to heal and leaving it all to the other healer. yes, I get balance healing and dps but just not healing is toxic and if so why even play a healer.

OP is talking about non-practice extreme party & is in NA data center. When joining PF that is not for progging, there are certain degree of competency expected from everybody joining said PF: new, learning players should not even be there.

Meanwhile alliance raids or basically any DF contents is an entirely different mixed bag. These two occasions cannot be compared & it’s okay to be more cautious… to certain extent as well because surprise(?!), depending on which raid there will also be certain degree of expectation. I.e. I’m absolutely not going to go out my way to heal that MCH who really love to fire away from Narnia in Ivalice Raids. They have 70 levels worth of gameplay to learn that they should never wander too far away from their healer for extended time. I’m also not going to keep that SAM with 4+ vuln stacks alive because they won’t bother to move out of bad stuff, they have more than enough gameplay time to know that orange/red markers are not areas they should be standing in. If 70 levels did not teach them any of this then honestly I don’t know what else besides untimely deaths will.