Healers please

[IDontPetLalas]

Not sure but as a healer, atleast i am doing this, i have prio list and DPS are on this list is nr 3, tank are 2 and healer are 1. I let you die if you are not in this list on the top and the other two needs attantion or if you are in so rough shape (vuln stack man baby) that letting you die and rezz you is cheaper.

"Tunneling damage" What on earth is this ? As a healer you have AOE (1 Button) and single target (1 Button) plus a DoT (1 Button) and you have a OGCD thats it. There is nothing to tunnel here. If you are tunneling dps than, lets be honest here, you have clearly other problems and you should LEARN the healer job FIRST.
Furthermore PLEASE STOP with "all healers" or "many healers" are like that - thats just untrue.

I am not sure were you get youre healer guides and stuff because all sources i know of worth their SALT will tell you the following - READ your TOOLSTIPS and LEARN your Kit first, learn how to heal and learn the conent you are playing AFTER THAT you start minmaxing your DPS as healer.

The forum these days has a lot healer-hate -,- please stop it. The world is not Black and White and taking stuff out of context is BS and most responses here just that. OP discribeded a situation were OP just overhealing like crazy and complaint "why my co-healer not doing same ? ". Thats not a carry nor it is top notch healer gameplay. If you are not good or cant heal and DPS - thats completly fine - if somebody harasses you just report them.

This is really well said, I would only add that DPS get bumped up or down the priority list in the party all the time (for a worst-case scenario) , depending upon whether they bring utility such as as raise as well.
If they never use it when we really need it - they get bumped down the list, same as a DPS that keep ignoring mechanics and collecting stacks.

[OranKells]

the OP seems to be about a healer thats doing a lot of dps and not healing because the other healer is healing too much and not dpsing. which is a communication breakdown.

the other healer should heal less and throw in a couple glares to force the first heal to pop the odd ogcd between thier dps, which is how nature intended it work.

And I do think you learn best by doing, failure is a great teaching tool. If you wipe once or twice getting into your groove so be it.

[DragoAskani]

okay, so... how can you be so sure that your co healer has any kind of "plan" aside from spamming dps? how much time do you suggest giving until you know ifd they are a green dps or actually going to heal? members start dying? or you need to use LB3 to rez everyone? I usually leave my psychic shoes at home when I go into raids so if you have an easy way to figure out if the other healer has a plan, or even intends to heal, that would be wonderful. please educate us on this ability

They explained it in the earlier paragraphs mrs cherry pick and choose what part of an entire statement to nitpick.

[DragoAskani]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal? No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

Seems you need to learn fight timers and stop wasting mana inefficiently to me. You are sitting here complaining, and at the exact same time telling us why you are healing badly.

[LittleImp]

The topic of the thread isn't healers who are able to balance dps and healing- it's very clearly about healers who spam damage and let others die and groups wipe, or just have the other healer do all the healing and not help- which according to some is good group play.

new players- who come into the game, get yelled at for healing in dungeons, get told by content creators to only heal at low health... then get into groups and are spamming damage spells as the group wipes over and over.

You were saying that the way new healers are taught to approach healing is a fundamental part of some supposed wide-spread problem where healers aren't healing. That implies you believe this approach should change, and I disagree. People don't interpret phrases like "The only health point that matters is the last one" literally, and I've seen zero evidence that this supposed widespread problem exists. I spend a lot of time spamming Mentor roulette, and just don't see this in game at all.

You say you find healers who just heal a bigger issue than those who don't damage... but a healer that just heals, you're still going to finish anything below maybe savage/ult. A healer that just deals damage, you're going to wipe constantly and not finish anything.

I have never seen a healer refuse to heal in a normal mode to the degree that it genuinely obstructed the party. I've seen co-healers that barely heal in normal modes, but the healing requirements in that content tend to be so low that even an inexperienced player can readily solo-heal them with minimal disruption to the way they usually play.

There is something I have seen, however, at all levels of the game from normals to Ultimate; Healers that underperform and struggle will frequently try to offload blame onto their co-healer. I've watched people launch into rants about how their co-healer "isn't doing anything", only to have to explain to the person that their co-healer is outhealing them: They just aren't getting carried as hard as they are used to and are experiencing what it's like to hold up their end of the partnership. It's the commonality of that type of situation that makes people very incredulous of threads like this.

Also, Healers and Tanks shouldn't receive blame for failing to adjust to someone else's mistake; Effective recovery is something that should be praised, but never expected and certainly not criticized in its absence. If someone dies because they ate an aoe shortly before a raid-wide, that's 100% on them. I've seen waaay too may instances of "WHERE WERE THE HEALS" moments where someone tries to offload responsibility for their own mistake onto the healer.

EDIT:

If you never encounter that, great- but if you do encounter that, is that good play? Is not healing and letting groups wipe good play as a healer? Encouraging that, and there are people here straight up saying they won't heal players even if that could save them because they'd rather dps, is encouraging really bad play.

Please stop trying to create crazy straw-men. I will not engage with unrealistic hypothetical scenarios.

[SweetPete]

When I’m healing extremes and raids honestly I don’t care what my co-healer does. I just always feel like I’m solo healing. Back in ARR, HW AND SB I actually trusted healers but every since SHB and now EW it’s like allot of healers are drunk or high. I don’t trust healers now. So many baddies. So as the old saying goes. If you want something done right just do it yourself.

[Tlamila]

Huff, I see both sides are deadset that only one thing is true.
Honestly, we have no clue what the real situation was. I see healers who overheal lots cause they're not confident/they don't know how to efficiently manage their heals/they panick, leaving you nothing to do, and I see healers who completely refuse to heal, leaving you to solo heal. As none of us but the OP was actually there to know what happens, both things can equally be true and both are equally likely.

Tbh for serious content I tend to heal if I know the co-healer and can effectively coordinate, as both situations are very unpleasant to be in. For casual content it's whatever, if you overheal it's no biggie, if people die is also no biggie, but ex and above I'd rather not take bets.

[Rolder50]

To play a little devil's advocate here, were the instances you were casting cure 3 and medica 2 and such ones that required GCD healing like that? Generally you can cover healing requirements with just your off-GCD heals. For example, if there's a multi-hit stack, pop lilybell, problem solved. Maybe the other healer was expecting you to use those kinds of off-GCD heals rather then jump right to the GCD ones?

Furthermore, do you know for sure that the other healer wasn't using their off-GCD Heals? It's possible it looked like they were just spamming glare, but were actually just being efficient and relying on their own + your off GCDs to keep the raid up. Which, especially in Extreme trials, definitely should be the case.

[GarretStrongstaf]

okay, so... how can you be so sure that your co healer has any kind of "plan" aside from spamming dps?

Hi Etherea, I wonder, if you are uncomfortable with the actions of any party member, in this case your co-healer, are you able to communicate that with them via party chat? In any party situation (in real life too) good judgement and clear communication are as much if not more important than knowing your tool kit or mastering content. If I need support from a player, I always ask for it. If I don't get it, I play with someone who does. If you are playing with people who aren't supporting you in a way that makes the game fun. Find players who do. They are most certainly out there

On the topic of healer play-styles I won't speak for anyone but myself so this comment is only in reference to my own experience, but for endgame content I make it a personal goal to not use GDC heals unless the party is serious trouble. Even then, and depending on the group of players I am running with and our particular goals in that run, a wipe (and reset) may even be more preferable than an heal LB3. In my experience, most fights (even savage content) when run by a group that knows the battle intimately, OGDC heals are more than sufficient.

But I didn't always feel this way. Healing used to stress me out. I gave it a try in 2.2. At first I was anxious to let the party's HP drop too low. I would use group or single target heals to alleviate that anxiety. With time I mastered my tool kit, got better at endgame content and learned to replace those angsty GDC heals with damage instead. This is when I fell in love with the healer role. I discovered the joy of using my kit to calculate precisely how much damage the party can take (without dying) while also doing as much damage as possible. To me, this is what makes the role so exciting and why I still main heals seven years later. And honestly, it’s still something I have yet to master.

If the point of playing the game is to have fun, then neither play-style (GDC heal happy or OGCD heals only) is the "right" or "best" way to play. They are just different ways of having fun. Play the style that makes you happiest. I will continue to do the same.

[TaleraRistain]

I'd just dial back on the heals a bit and see how your co-healer does. They may be getting a message that you have it since you're jumping on them. I know as a WHM, I rarely touch Cure III or Medica II anymore because we have very strong HoTs and effective instant heals. So dial it back, and if people start dying then the issue can be brought up about how to properly split responsibilities.