Current State of Tank+Healer Synergy

[Awful]

While the memes are fun, the reality is not. I had a run of the 83 dungeon where I, as a Sage, died at the beginning of the fight. The GNB was able to continue the fight using nothing but their kit to heal the party while I watched from the sidelines. In the moment, was pretty awesome to see, but this is possible in any dungeon (possibly even the new raids), with any of the tanks except DRK. Right now, healers have a high chance of not having a job to do because 3/4 tanks can heal themselves and others just as well as an actual healer.

I do this in experts on my WAR too if you can't live longer than 30 seconds then I don't need you sorry if you died but if we can't rez you then I'm just gonna continue, that's not my ego going through or anything that's just on the healer/you if you die right as the fight begins. Same thing in the Dead Ends 1st and 2nd boss if the healer dies and I can salvage the group then I'm gonna do it the best way I can if you have to sit on the sidelines then I'd say you need to practice and learn the mechanics rather then eat vulns and die.

[Gemina]

I do this in experts on my WAR too if you can't live longer than 30 seconds then I don't need you sorry if you died but if we can't rez you then I'm just gonna continue, that's not my ego going through or anything that's just on the healer/you if you die right as the fight begins. Same thing in the Dead Ends 1st and 2nd boss if the healer dies and I can salvage the group then I'm gonna do it the best way I can if you have to sit on the sidelines then I'd say you need to practice and learn the mechanics rather then eat vulns and die.

You're not wrong. If players die to avoidable mechanics, it is on them, and as a tank there isn't much you can do to fix the mistakes of others. But you also have to understand that we are human, and we make mistakes. If you're sitting there soloing a boss that still has a huge chunk of HP, you are not doing anyone any favors. Including yourself, and you might even be doing yourself a disservice, as if you just reset, at least 2-3 players will learn from their previous mistake, and you will kill the boss faster. Then there is the fact that if you do clear it, you just carried three to seven other players and prevented those that failed the mechanics a second chance to do them, and they end up learning nothing.

[Atreides]

You're not wrong. If players die to avoidable mechanics, it is on them, and as a tank there isn't much you can do to fix the mistakes of others. But you also have to understand that we are human, and we make mistakes. If you're sitting there soloing a boss that still has a huge chunk of HP, you are not doing anyone any favors. Including yourself, and you might even be doing yourself a disservice, as if you just reset, at least 2-3 players will learn from their previous mistake, and you will kill the boss faster. Then there is the fact that if you do clear it, you just carried three to seven other players and prevented those that failed the mechanics a second chance to do them, and they end up learning nothing.

I agree with both statements to an extend, if a group wipes and the boss is <15%, I'll say fine go ahead and solo it if you feel confident enough to do so. But when the boss has more HP than that it's not nice to take your whole group hostage just to finish the boss on your own. Being able to do that might be cool but it's boring for the rest that are already insecure enough that they made mistakes and died.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

I agree with both statements to an extend, if a group wipes and the boss is <15%, I'll say fine go ahead and solo it if you feel confident enough to do so. But when the boss has more HP than that it's not nice to take your whole group hostage just to finish the boss on your own. Being able to do that might be cool but it's boring for the rest that are already insecure enough that they made mistakes and died.

Sorry, I disagree on that. They died because they didn't understand or know the mechanics, or weren't paying attention. Solo'ing and letting them watch, let's them see the mechanics so their next run goes smoother. If it was because they weren't paying attention, then they were "wasting time" for everyone else to begin with, so shouldn't bemoan the tank solo'ing and "wasting their time" back.

[Gemina]

I agree with both statements to an extend, if a group wipes and the boss is <15%, I'll say fine go ahead and solo it if you feel confident enough to do so. But when the boss has more HP than that it's not nice to take your whole group hostage just to finish the boss on your own. Being able to do that might be cool but it's boring for the rest that are already insecure enough that they made mistakes and died.

Agreed. I did want elaborate further on tank flexing, and there is definitely a time and place for it. What % the boss is at that determines when to just solo the remainder is subjective, but ultimately up to the tank doing it to decide.

In any case, the devs could implement an enrage if only one player is up after a few minutes. That would easily take care of this particular encounter design issue. I used to think this was just a dungeon thing, but ohhhh no. Not at all. Already been in that situation myself on my WAR, and I don't even have any EW skills yet.

[Awful]

You're not wrong. If players die to avoidable mechanics, it is on them, and as a tank there isn't much you can do to fix the mistakes of others. But you also have to understand that we are human, and we make mistakes. If you're sitting there soloing a boss that still has a huge chunk of HP, you are not doing anyone any favors. Including yourself, and you might even be doing yourself a disservice, as if you just reset, at least 2-3 players will learn from their previous mistake, and you will kill the boss faster. Then there is the fact that if you do clear it, you just carried three to seven other players and prevented those that failed the mechanics a second chance to do them, and they end up learning nothing.

I mean I get that but at the end of the day I'd rather just do it with my 2 friends while I heal them and continue on I won't lose sleep if the healer gets upset, now I can understand being like "oh crap I stood in the electro thing in Dead Ends!" then sure, whatever, but if they're actively dying on every boss (which has been happening a lot recently) then I'll just continue. I get it's probably faster but it's just eh, it's not like i'm bullying them or anything just would rather clear while they run back even if it isn't super optimal we're still losing time regardless, but I get your point we are all humans behind the computer and I do take that into the group dynamics.