DRK feels weak

[Ryaduera]

And even in the contexts in which they amount to the same, why would you go out of your way to 'correct' people, across multiple threads, just for using the word i.e., per its literal and most common definition ("to reduce" -- not, to recover or refund) instead of a 'close enough' approximation that only leads to more convoluted terminology?

I don't know why you edited this into an older post, or why you called this out as if this is me targeting people who say things when the point I was making in that post was that increasing max HP in the context of Thrill of Battle is in fact mitigation which is something we agree upon. I just wanted to add how healing works to mitigate the effects of taking damage and how that effects DRK overall tankiness. Also, I haven't really heard proactive and reactive mitigations, just proactive and reactive tanks which mitigate in their respective methods. Honestly, stop it. You're talking about reduction, which is a more specific phrase in the context of mitigation. I even agree that shields can be better than healing, the main problem is the accessibility and numerical value of the shields compared to heals. TBN is not enough. That is literally it, stop doing this.

[GrizzlyTank]

A change that could work to fix them would be to give either Quietus or Flood of Darkness a heal/shield based on targets hit.

Won't give us button bloat or interferer with the current rotation.

[Kalaam]

That would just make DRK even more like Warrior though.

[EmpyreanHelios]

I’ve been mostly healing this expansion and I feel like I have to babysit Drks. In dungeons, I have to layer my spells or they’ll just drop. In trials/raids, I really have to keep my eye on them. For the other tanks, my aoe healing during raidwides is basically enough to keep them afloat most of the time.

I’m happy that I have more reasons to use my healing spells and actually heal during downtime, but from a tank comparison viewpoint the Drk feels really bad. My friends have been saying the same after I talked to them so….

[Ryaduera]

I’ve been mostly healing this expansion and I feel like I have to babysit Drks. In dungeons, I have to layer my spells or they’ll just drop. In trials/raids, I really have to keep my eye on them. For the other tanks, my aoe healing during raidwides is basically enough to keep them afloat most of the time.

I’m happy that I have more reasons to use my healing spells and actually heal during downtime, but from a tank comparison viewpoint the Drk feels really bad. My friends have been saying the same after I talked to them so….

I like to heal to change things up and I had a DRK in Zodiark as a sage where things were going kinda south, OT was dead and couldn't swap, so DRK used LD and I literally used everything. Was discord streaming to my friends, one of which is a healer main, who was just laughing at how I used [i]literally everything[i] and the DRK still just died, it was horrible but also kinda hilarious. I think a few abilities were on cooldown, like Zoe and Nuema, but I used everything I had left at least.

[Crimson_Rayne]

DRK feels like its stuck in Shadowbringers, no real improvements. blood weapon on timer not charges, Living Dead still the same (like if it didnt just suck compared to the rest). i seriously wonder if the devs even play DRK to see how its soul is being chipped away at every expansion. plus in HW, drks animations were super sick to see. now its just bland animations and a gimmick shadow (buffed to 300 potency now)

[Kalaam]

Guys don't feed an obvious troll, come on you're smarter than this.

[Mukakruda]

The main issue is dungeons/casual content for DRK
ALL tanks (not just WAR ALL TANKS) got some really nice self-sustainability tools that makes them feel strong and satisfying in Dungeons without making them feel broken in Savage. DRK still feels perfectly fine and strong in EX and Savage content, which is nice and all, but for those people who only play casually/only do Dungeon content DRK was left in the dust. A GNB, PLD, or WAR can easily survive without their healer in a huge mob pull, healer is bad, is afk, couldn't keep up, whatever, those 3 tanks can deal with it without a problem, while DRK will actually notice that their healer is missing or is simply choosing to not heal them. This doesn't make too much of a difference in Savage, forced tank swaps and the sheer amount of damage prevent the new healing tools for every other tanks from making them feel broken. But ONCE AGAIN I'm referring to how DRK feels in Dungeon content specifically. Just because some of us, myself included, do Savage doesn't mean we should ignore issues in the Normal content and hand wave them off simply because the class is still desirable in Savage/do guud damage.
Also, Shadowbringer.
Dear god Shadowbringer.
DRK feeling poor compared to the other tanks in Dungeons aside, every tank got new offensive skills that are visually satisfying and FEEL GOOD to press. DRK got "It's Just Flood of Shadow 6.0 Edition". Their other problems aside I think the fact that Shadowbringer is such a lame attack visually and in feeling is a signifier of a problem on dev's part that maybe none of their team actually play the class

[Ryaduera]

DRK feeling poor compared to the other tanks in Dungeons aside, every tank got new offensive skills that are visually satisfying and FEEL GOOD to press. DRK got "It's Just Flood of Shadow 6.0 Edition". Their other problems aside I think the fact that Shadowbringer is such a lame attack visually and in feeling is a signifier of a problem on dev's part that maybe none of their team actually play the class

What is this skill you're talking about... Shadowbringer...? You mean Dark Passenger II?

[Mekhana]

Yeah all it takes is one dungeon with a healer that doesn't know how to heal or keeps lagging out or DPS that doesn't know how to DPS in large trash pulls. You'll run out of every possible mitigation rather quickly.

I mentioned this before but if the developers would play with DRK for 10 hours a day on a mentor or leveling roulette for around a week, we'd not be in this situation.