Healers

[Makeda]

It’s super easy to both heal and DPS. And the focus heal when things get intense.

There is a certain set of people that keep telling their “friend that doesn’t like games” to play healer because “you can mostly afk” which hasn’t been true in ANY MMO since WoW’s BC era around 2007.

Since that time every MMO has made healers often the most active role with spot tactical thinking required to quickly pick what to do when either in reaction to or anticipation of fight events.

But… we still get players that want to Netflix and cast a HoT every few minutes… You get them in lots of MMOs.

Somehow some people haven’t read their patch notes since 2007 - years before this MMO even launched…

[HyoMinPark]

its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups

In all the healer discussions I’ve been a part of on these forums, I can say I have never seen anyone advocate for “DPS only and ignore the party” when it comes to being a healer and dealing damage. The bolded part is an irrelevant argument because it isn’t even one made here. It’s condemned even by those advocating for healers to deal damage.

[Makeda]

It’s super easy to both heal and DPS. And the focus heal when things get intense.

There is a certain set of people that keep telling their “friend that doesn’t like games” to play healer because “you can mostly afk” which hasn’t been true in ANY MMO since WoW’s BC era around 2007.

Can’t edit when using the mobile version of the forum so… part 2:

I was a WoW healer in 2007 so that note above itself is actually in jest. It was insanely active… but my co healer back then was often AFK. Even the little AFK marker on her toon in mid raid boss pull in Karazhan. And usually she’d DC halfway through.
But we had to bring her because our maintank was her husband… and he insisted she got all the healer loot so it just got even more intense as over time I was solo healing that 10-man on harder and harder fight while still in my questing gear…

But that’s where I learned how to heal… even if she hadn’t been afk though it was still intense back then.

That noted not long after that is when MMO healers got asked to DPS as well as heal, class depending. Over the years since every healer in every MMO has DPS as part of its role now

[Makeda]

I can say I have never seen anyone advocate for “DPS only and ignore the party” when it comes to being a healer and dealing damage.

Likewise. I’ve never seen that view put forward anywhere. Even in MMOs where there is a healer that heals by DPSing like mistweaver Monk and Disc Priest of WoW - nobody ever says only DPS.

I think that’s a troll strawman in thsi thread only…

[Jeslynn]

As a healer, I do miss the targeting system in EQ2. The ability to dos through a player or heal through a mob made healing a ton easier.

For those that don't understand:

If you were targeting a mob, dps spells would hit the mob but healing or beneficial spells would land on the mobs target.

Targeting a player was the opposite and dps would hit there target and healing the targeted player.

This was actually nice for everyone, as the entire raid had a main tank and a main assist. All DPS targets the main assist and attacks through them (without changing targets). Healers targeted MT and only switched targets when necessary.

It made raids much, much smoother. Especially with 72 man (or more) raids without voice chat.

[SweetestLily]

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

Funny enough I've played with you before and you couldn't even do your own job properly. This whole thread is nonsense.

[Eriane_Elis]

I WHM main and I get annoyed when the other WHM / Healer doesn't DPS/heal like I do. I don't expect them to be as good as me or come close but if they want to heal, they need to DPS as well and they need to HEAL. 8 out of 10 healers I come across don't do both, usually I carry the whole team. I don't want to be DPS while healing everyone on my own. Please learn your role. I don't care if you feel stressed, everyone feels stressed when you don't learn your role before joining a party. This is why there are private dungeons for you to practice first and do practice with your FC some trials.

As a healer you need to:
- Learn to Shield
- Learn to Heal
- Learn to pull people when they really need rescued
- Learn to keep your MP up / manage MP
- Learn to keep regen and other things up on tanks
- Learn to DPS
- Whenever the button (action) CD is over you must press something. Don't just stand there
- Learn to adapt with the tank, other healer and the DPS
- Don't try to out-heal the other healer, adapt to how often the other healer heals so nothing goes to waste
- Always keep your dots up
- Being able to know where you need to move while keeping an eye on all the health / mp bars is also important
- Other things I probably forgot to mention

You don't have to master everything before joining a group but you need a pretty good foundation no matter what class you're playing before joining a group. That's why the first dungeon requires you to be of a certain level, because you have practice with the few skills you know. But don't expect to unlock sage and join a raid. That's stupid. Don't do that. Learn how to play sage first so you're comfortable enough to play with others. You can ask others to teach you how to be better. There are training dummies, training grounds, TRUST, and grand company dungeons. You can practice solo or with a friend/friends in trials, there's PotD, HoH, and Eureka etc... There are so many ways you can practice before jumping in a big group where people rely on you being good at least a few things.

(to be continued)

[Eriane_Elis]

(continued, character limit lol)

A healer MUST DPS AND HEAL at all times. Getting used to this will get you used to Extreme/Savage/Ultimate trials. Everyone has their role to play and the harder the content, the more versatile you must be with your role. It's also best if you practice each class such as Tank, Healer, DPS (Melee/range) to better understand on how to adapt to them.

IS being a healer stressful? Yes. It can be. The whole team has eyes on you and if you make a single mistake they take notice, but if the DPS makes a mistake, no one notices except the healer and that one DPS. It's not without its stress but that doesn't mean it isn't fun. Stress is fun. I think a lot of the young generation is afraid of responsibility and stress so being hand held is what they expect. No, sorry that's not how this works. You're responsible for the lives of your party, and if your party wipes, there's a good chance it's because of you. A bad tank will wipe the party and DPS that don't learn can wipe as well but there are more bad healers than bad tanks from experience.

Being a healer that heals, shields and DPS is fun. I love that part of the game. If they ever took it out I would probably stop playing because I can't find excitement like being a "healer". If all you want to do is heal, that's fine. Just don't expect to clear anything difficult. The DPS checks are real.

[Quintessa]

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

[Synxin]

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1 in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2 even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3 I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4 your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5 why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

As a Healer/Tank main please get out of the role pool, you're making the rest of us look bad by not playing your job correctly. Healers DO need to DPS, any extra % of damage can mean the difference between winning or wiping. Don't want all responsibilities of playing the Role don't play the role in queues.