Healers

[Merrigan]

Healers contribute roughly 60% of the highest ranked DPS. That is hardly a small amount. In fact, back in Shadowbringers, it was statistically impossible to clear E8S and E12S without significant healer DPS for the first several weeks. Even E11S wouldn't be doable week 1.

Simply put, healers focus so much on DPS nowadays because there's literally nothing else for them to focus on. Outgoing damage is far too low, rendering a good portion of their kits as overkill. Healer mains have been asking for more damage or buffs/debuff management and have been told "no" due to it making things too difficult for casual players. Therefore, all they have is an incredibly dull DPS "rotation". Blame the dev team for this mindset not the players adapting to it.

This.

Joking aside - and forgetting the basic troll post - when will we be taken seriously?

I'm bored. I love the healer principle in FFXIV. The mapping, the "you have to plan ahead and know the strategy" part.
But overall, and despite my little experience on this game (came when Shb was out), 60% of the time I spam a key. Two when I have to refresh my dot. Even sage, which is a dps based job according to the description given, has only one main button for dps.

Give us more mechanics to deal with. Please. Most people will always choose dps anyway.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

Gambling with people's lives is literally part of the fun. It becomes a game of how low can I keep them without them dying and still dps? You learn that ok, no unavoidable damage is coming for a while so they don't need topped up, they can wait till my ogcd comes back off cd. If they mess up a mechanic and die that's on them, even then if I see the f up about to happen and KNOW they will die I will heal them to prevent the death as that is a loss of rdps for the party. The only hp that matters is the last one, knowing when we can ignore and keep spamming that dps is some of the little fun we healers have left.
Idc how my healer dmg matches up vs the other jobs, I care how I rate vs others in the same job that are also min maxing! As well as my past self ofc, always want to improve.

[Makeda]

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem.

I just don't see that. I see very few healers that only do one thing.

I do see a lot of healers who will let us wipe rather than use LB3, and I see healers that seem to never use their rez unless it's a hard cast.

But I see very few that only DPS or only heal.

[Eriane_Elis]

I just don't see that. I see very few healers that only do one thing.

I do see a lot of healers who will let us wipe rather than use LB3, and I see healers that seem to never use their rez unless it's a hard cast.

But I see very few that only DPS or only heal.

I admit I did this twice. Once because I forgot to add LB in my hotbar after resetting the UI before you could save it. And the second time was when I completely forgot after a hiatus that you had to be within range. I raised exactly 0 people that time. That was the most embarrassing moment for me. lool I do often see a sage do nothing but send an attack once every few minutes during MSQ roul. Some people want to watch the world burn.

[PrimeAnubis]

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

Your "self-sustain kit" is called "Second Wind" & "Bloodbath" rarely anyone uses them in fights.

[Karatecatgrl]

The newest healer Sage heals via doing DPS, albeit small but on single bosses with avoidable mechs and Random aoe damage you can pretty much just DPS your heart out and use the instant heals and the party will be fine.

[Shialan]

How would redesigning how healers play change anything? You would still get the people who would play badly and only press one button. Its not a class design problem, but a player one.

[Ravor]

This is not the job or role problem, this is the player problem...... its like saying a tank that didnt do any mitigation and only doing damage rotation means the job or tank role is bad, no, that is the player's problem, also, just like you said, healer need to dps, it doesnt mean stop doing healing altogether, do the dps when you are free and healing when someone's hp is low or help mitigate when boss gonna do raid wide damage or tank buster

[Xtro99]

This is not the job or role problem, this is the player problem...... its like saying a tank that didnt do any mitigation and only doing damage rotation means the job or tank role is bad, no, that is the player's problem, also, just like you said, healer need to dps, it doesnt mean stop doing healing altogether, do the dps when you are free and healing when someone's hp is low or help mitigate when boss gonna do raid wide damage or tank buster

This pretty much, my primary mission when I'm playing a healer is to keep everyone up and buffed, when everyone is stable I pump as much dps as I possibly can.

[OGPupDoge]

Uh oh! Someone's salty they aren't good at healing...