So you're telling me..

[Navnav]

It's padded healing, it is not impactful healing. Ofc it will out heal a DRK or somthing, it is healing everyone with a low potency that won't do much except padding, that goes unnoticed until you look at the logs specifically for it - but yeah, everyone.

[Kazimere]

It's padded healing, it is not impactful healing. Ofc it will out heal a DRK or somthing, it is healing everyone with a low potency that won't do much except padding, that goes unnoticed until you look at the logs specifically for it - but yeah, everyone.

You're wasting your time. And no, SE doesn't bother paying attention to English forums, and I think you can see why. You're better off going to discord and having a discussion about this stuff.

[Kolsykol]

You're wasting your time. And no, SE doesn't bother paying attention to English forums, and I think you can see why. You're better off going to discord and having a discussion about this stuff.

Implying the JP forums and Discord doesn't say the same things.

It's just funny to me how you and especially Navnav get up on some high horse about this, but then Navnav spent so much time ranting about positionals on MNK and playing a victim when MNK mains disagreed with him.
So it's okay for him to '' whine and cry '' about positionals but it's not okay when it's people who he disagrees with ( and have mained the Job since ARR ) talk about it?

Imo it's more whining and crying to go '' waaah people are talking about things and I don't like it ''.
And by his logic people still cleared Savage and Extremes with positionals since the very beginning so I guess he should be against the changes in EW?
Or why was it okay for him to go on about that?
Actually, yes I agree with that logic.
Go back.

[Navnav]

Implying the JP forums and Discord doesn't say the same things.

It's just funny to me how you and especially Navnav get up on some high horse about this, but then Navnav spent so much time ranting about positionals on MNK and playing a victim when MNK mains disagreed with him.
So it's okay for him to '' whine and cry '' about positionals but it's not okay when it's people who he disagrees with ( and have mained the Job since ARR ) talk about it?

Imo it's more whining and crying to go '' waaah people are talking about things and I don't like it ''.
And by his logic people still cleared Savage and Extremes with positionals since the very beginning so I guess he should be against the changes in EW?
Actually, yes I agree with that logic.
Go back.

Hold on a sec there mate... Who was whinning about positionals? All I said was they should go as they are arbitrary busy work and a relic of the past, also how they are a lazy fix to a bigger problem of class design. When I said these things I got attacked by gigachads, proclaiming they are gods because they can move left and right and press a button, and that I was just some lowly scrub because I didn't think that was rewarding. Get it right mate.

[Scuoll]

You're wasting your time. And no, SE doesn't bother paying attention to English forums, and I think you can see why. You're better off going to discord and having a discussion about this stuff.

Not sure if you are still participating or not since you are clearly still here, but why would it be a bad thing if the job's performance were closer? I really dont get it, if you just want them not to listen because you are benefitting from current imbalance, its just a stupid idea, if they got better at balancing which is 10000% doable since all jobs are really similar design wise and there are no weird interactions like in wow with legendaries/trinkets/whatever, the game would just be better and there wouldnt be much need to have these discussions.

For what its worth i have read opinions similar to those echoed in these threads in these discords or elsewhere, i even sometimes read reaper loung on the balance discord andwhile there are people that think its balanced, there are also definitely people saying stuff like that arcane crest is overpowered especially because no other melee has something like it, and there are people that think its overtuned damage wise, and that's like the most rpr biased place i can think of, rightly so,nothing wrong with it.

What is so wrong about pointing out current imbalance you should dismiss the whole issue? genuinely dont get it

[Kazimere]

Not sure if you are still participating or not since you are clearly still here, but why would it be a bad thing if the job's performance were closer? I really dont get it, if you just want them not to listen because you are benefitting from current imbalance, its just a stupid idea, if they got better at balancing which is 10000% doable since all jobs are really similar design wise and there are no weird interactions like in wow with legendaries/trinkets/whatever, the game would just be better and there wouldnt be much need to have these discussions.

For what its worth i have read opinions similar to those echoed in these threads in these discords or elsewhere, i even sometimes read reaper loung on the balance discord andwhile there are people that think its balanced, there are also definitely people saying stuff like that arcane crest is overpowered especially because no other melee has something like it, and there are people that think its overtuned damage wise, and that's like the most rpr biased place i can think of, rightly so,nothing wrong with it.

What is so wrong about pointing out current imbalance you should dismiss the whole issue? genuinely dont get it

I’m not benefitting from anything. I play all melee, and I’ve main’d every one of them at various points all the way back to HW. Reaper is just the one I’m currently focusing on.

I don’t particularly think there is a crushing imbalance between the melee. Using all fights in Panda normal at the 95 and 99 bracket. There is a 4-5% difference in the rDPS of Dragoon and Reaper. 4-5%. There is a 2-3% difference between the rDPS of Reaper and Samurai. 2-3%. I didn’t bother do do monk, but its spread will be similar to Reaper. Ninja is the only outlier that falls outside of 5%, but even then it’s only 6%.

So, tell me again how reaper is massively outperforming the other melee? How monk is? The way some people (not you) are screeching on this thread, you’d think the sky was falling. It’s just not so. I don’t think I’ve ever seen tuning be this tight at release for melee. Does that mean that all is good and there don’t need to be adjustments? No, and I never said that there didn’t need to be. There will be adjustments, and historically SE does not nerf nearly as much as they buff.

Dragoon and Ninja both need to be tuned upwards. And imo, the lowest melee should be 2-3% from the top melee. 2-3%. Who that top and who that bottom is going to wind up being remains to be seen.

However, saying reaper should be at whatever hierarchically position on the charts because of xyz is a matter of opinion. That goes for the rest of the melee as well. Full Stop.

[ZiraZ]

I’m not benefitting from anything. I play all melee, and I’ve main’d every one of them at various points all the way back to HW. Reaper is just the one I’m currently focusing on.

I don’t particularly think there is a crushing imbalance between the melee. Using all fights in Panda normal at the 95 and 99 bracket. There is a 4-5% difference in the rDPS of Dragoon and Reaper. 4-5%. There is a 2-3% difference between the rDPS of Reaper and Samurai. 2-3%. I didn’t bother do do monk, but its spread will be similar to Reaper. Ninja is the only outlier that falls outside of 5%, but even then it’s only 6%.

So, tell me again how reaper is massively outperforming the other melee?

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