So you're telling me..

[Kazimere]

This is actually a no u situation lol.
So many people here have already gone through this with you numerous of times, you're the one who's refusing to acknowledge anything based on nothing other than your opinion and emotions.

You're the one sitting here being all like '' nuh-uh '' at everything without having anything to back up what you say.
Even if it was only opinions which it isn't, it still wouldn't change what you're doing.
So you're allowed to have opinions but others aren't?`
Even tho again what others have been telling you isn't just opinions.

No, you’re allowed to have your opinion. Just stop acting like it is anything but that. You have no objective basis to say anything is over powered or broken. None. You are not on the developer team. You looking at some numbers and data and saying xyz is abc is….an opinion. It is your opinion that reaper is broken because of your subjective feelings. Full stop. Objectively, it is not even crushing samurai or blm. Max potential is the only thing that matters, and max potential has reaper, blm, and Sam within margin of error for RDPS on a 100% uptime fight (which isn’t even where one needs to look for reaper). aDPS (where it matters for reaper) has reaper well behind samurai. If you played reaper to any degree you’d know that.

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

As soon as you say a class shouldn’t do as much damage as another because it’s “easier” you lose me. Difficulty is subjective. It is also a myth that people won’t play something “hard” unless it does the most damage. In every game. People just like to bitch that they deserve to be rewarded for “working harder” in a video game. As if they are working that hard. That is also subjective too.

[Scuoll]

No, you’re allowed to have your opinion. Just stop acting like it is anything but that. You have no objective basis to say anything is over powered or broken. None. You are not on the developer team. You looking at some numbers and data and saying xyz is abc is….an opinion. It is your opinion that reaper is broken because of your subjective feelings. Full stop. Objectively, it is not even crushing samurai or blm. Max potential is the only thing that matters, and max potential has reaper, blm, and Sam within margin of error for RDPS on a 100% uptime fight (which isn’t even where one needs to look for reaper). aDPS (where it matters for reaper) has reaper well behind samurai. If you played reaper to any degree you’d know that.

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

As soon as you say a class shouldn’t do as much damage as another because it’s “easier” you lose me. Difficulty is subjective. It is also a myth that people won’t play something “hard” unless it does the most damage. In every game. People just like to bitch that they deserve to be rewarded for “working harder” in a video game. As if they are working that hard. That is also subjective too.

I feel like the discussion is getting a bit side tracked, but you and a few other people have echoed this sentiment of "max rank is the only thing that matters".
Now i understand that sorting by max on fflogs makes reaper look the most balanced, however, i think it is pretty objectively a bad metric to use for balance, since its the metric with least parses, rng plays a heavier effect, mainly crit rng, is it okay if the only way for reaper to get out dps'd is by players playing every job near perfectly + getting good rng? Not to mention also party composition and kill time play a heavy effect, and probably also heavy padding on fights that allow for it like the ex trials.

Again, the fact that players playing as well as they can sometimes beat rpr in dps is true and it means something, but i still think that the reality shown by sorting from ranks 95 down is way more important, i dont know how square enix does their balancing, but i dont think it makes that much sense to balance only around perfect play AND perfect circumstances, since they are both very rarely happening, they probably have to go for a more "middle of the road approach".

Also given the low difference between rpr's floor and ceiling you yourself have acknowledged, right now it probably risks turning into an "easy mode" of sorts, which i genuinely think is pretty bad for the game.

As a last note, i do my best to just talk about the game, but it really gets hard to take you seriously when you say cringy things such as "i'd wipe the floor with you on any job" and "just trolling lol", just makes you look like a clown tbh

[Kazimere]

Even at 90, it’s within the margin of error, and samurai is still top dog aDPS wise, which is what matters for Reaper as well. Reaper overtakes Samurai for aDPS around the 70% bracket, and it is extremely close. People are putting way too much on Circle’s 3% that is used selfishly. Reaper plays into windows just as much as Samurai does.

Reaper being forgiving I got nothing for. It’s there, and I’d personally like to be punished more for execution mistakes that aren’t uptime related. I’m chalking that up to SE trying something new with Reaper and being on the conservative side with their kit. Samurai was as well when it was released. It’s not going to get more depth right now though. It’s a brand new job, so instead of people crying for it to be nerfed (when it’s not even broken) maybe they should learn to play it well and look for ways to improve its depth. As it stands, I don’t think anyone who is adamant about it being nerfed even plays it at any length, or is able to put up a good showing with it. Translation? Their opinions mean jack on the matter, both because of their “objective” lack of understanding of the job, and because it just comes off as hating.

Personally, if Ninja and Dragoon were doing more DPS and the base version of Reaper had a little more depth (as if samurai has THAT much) I wonder if we’d hear people bitching to this degree.

On a last note. Yoshi-P implied pretty explicitly during the LL that he intended reaper to compete with samurai. The question was explicitly asked. A fact that people seem to want to overlook because of their feelings. It’s still behind on aDPS and within the margin of error on rDPS. I don’t see the problem. It competes with Samurai.

Regarding my comment to iruru about wiping the floor. I’m sure when I said it, then it was because I was responding in kind to her being tasteless. It’s just not my style to do that unprovoked. If I cared enough, I’d go back and find the post that prompted that response. Allas, I don’t though.

As it stands. I’m done with the conversation. We are not going to agree on this. I don’t think nerfs are called for for anyone, because I don’t agree with nerfs when something isn’t broken. I believe in buffing under-performers.

[Scuoll]

Even at 90, it’s within the margin of error, and samurai is still top dog aDPS wise, which is what matters for Reaper as well. Reaper overtakes Samurai for aDPS around the 70% bracket, and it is extremely close. People are putting way too much on Circle’s 3% that is used selfishly. Reaper plays into windows just as much as Samurai does.

Reaper being forgiving I got nothing for. It’s there, and I’d personally like to be punished more for execution mistakes that aren’t uptime related. I’m chalking that up to SE trying something new with Reaper and being on the conservative side with their kit. Samurai was as well when it was released. It’s not going to get more depth right now though. It’s a brand new job, so instead of people crying for it to be nerfed (when it’s not even broken) maybe they should learn to play it well and look for ways to improve its depth. As it stands, I don’t think anyone who is adamant about it being nerfed even plays it at any length, or is able to put up a good showing with it. Translation? Their opinions mean jack on the matter, both because of their “objective” lack of understanding of the job, and because it just comes off as hating.

Personally, if Ninja and Dragoon were doing more DPS and the base version of Reaper had a little more depth (as if samurai has THAT much) I wonder if we’d hear people bitching to this degree.

Yeah we can for sure agree to disagree on buffing vs nerfing when it comes to balance and stuff like that, some part of your argument though i think just dont make sense regardless of opinion, what does it even mean the circle is used selfishly? Is it because it gives you plentiful harvest? As it is now "selfish" use or not its still contributing around the same rdps as battle litany (20 to 30 less so its really negligible), which is supposed to be the main buff of a more rdps focused job like dragoon.

Now if you have adps comparable to sam like the lord and saviour yoshi p has said (which i think just means they intend rpr to be more of an adps job but i am not him so ofc i may be wrong), but you also have a raid buff as good as battle litany, doesnt it make sense that people point that out? I understand the argument that if you are looking at your logs to improve you want to look at adps since that depends on you while rdps depends on how well your teammates play, but that damage still exists.

Also your "what if reaper was harder/had more depth and the other classes were tuned better" is just funny, yeah, surprisingly if balance was better less people would complain about it, i think its pretty easy to understand why being outperformed by people putting in less effort than you feels bad.

[IruruCece]

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

What's really gonna whet your whistle is when you look at the data that objectively proves NIN are underperforming!