So you're telling me..

[Kazimere]

It's impressive you've managed to post this long on the forums, then.

Nobody here hates you, for what it's worth. Just because you keep walking into rakes you set on the ground yourself doesn't mean anyone here hates you for being objectively wrong about everything you discussed/spent the last week of 2021 "trolling" ZiraZ over.

I appreciate that, but I could care less if you hate me. Haters of a job…

ZiraZ is wrong. That is all

[Kolsykol]

Haters of a job…

Uum, excuse me.
False.
Where is your source for this?

The notion that we hate the Job because we criticize it is actkhually a fallacy, and '' hater '' is a buzzword.
Tis merely your opinion that we hate the Job and you only say it in a futile attempt to try and lend your argument more weight.
You're conflating hate with criticism.

Edit:

so you can feel good about yourself in a pixelated universe.

These attempts at grandstanding are always funny to me.
You're on an internet forum arguing about a video game lets calm down with the grandstanding there alright?

Takes two to tango.
Please have a modicum of self-awareness.

And if you truly don't care about this which you probably do because otherwise why would you be here talking about it?
Imo it's more pathetic to spend so much time arguing about something you supposedly don't care about.
At least people talking about something they care about is understandable.

[Kazimere]

Uum, excuse me.
False.
Where is your source for this?

The notion that we hate the Job because we criticize it is actkhually a fallacy, and '' hater '' is a buzzword.
Tis merely your opinion that we hate the Job and you only say it in a futile attempt to try and lend your argument more weight.
You're conflating hate with criticism.

Edit:

These attempts at grandstanding are always funny to me.
You're on an internet forum arguing about a video game lets calm down with the grandstanding there alright?

Takes two to tango.
Please have a modicum of self-awareness.

And if you truly don't care about this which you probably do because otherwise why would you be here talking about it?
Imo it's more pathetic to spend so much time arguing about something you supposedly don't care about.
At least people talking about something they care about is understandable.

And you’re conflating your opinion and emotions with objectivity.

[Kolsykol]

And you’re conflating your opinion and emotions with objectivity.

This is actually a no u situation lol.
So many people here have already gone through this with you numerous of times, you're the one who's refusing to acknowledge anything based on nothing other than your opinion and emotions.

You're the one sitting here being all like '' nuh-uh '' at everything without having anything to back up what you say.
Even if it was only opinions which it isn't, it still wouldn't change what you're doing.
So you're allowed to have opinions but others aren't?`
Even tho again what others have been telling you isn't just opinions.

[IruruCece]

And you’re conflating your opinion and emotions with objectivity.

Challenging me to Daily Roulette, no items, Reaper Only isn't emotional?

[Kazimere]

This is actually a no u situation lol.
So many people here have already gone through this with you numerous of times, you're the one who's refusing to acknowledge anything based on nothing other than your opinion and emotions.

You're the one sitting here being all like '' nuh-uh '' at everything without having anything to back up what you say.
Even if it was only opinions which it isn't, it still wouldn't change what you're doing.
So you're allowed to have opinions but others aren't?`
Even tho again what others have been telling you isn't just opinions.

No, you’re allowed to have your opinion. Just stop acting like it is anything but that. You have no objective basis to say anything is over powered or broken. None. You are not on the developer team. You looking at some numbers and data and saying xyz is abc is….an opinion. It is your opinion that reaper is broken because of your subjective feelings. Full stop. Objectively, it is not even crushing samurai or blm. Max potential is the only thing that matters, and max potential has reaper, blm, and Sam within margin of error for RDPS on a 100% uptime fight (which isn’t even where one needs to look for reaper). aDPS (where it matters for reaper) has reaper well behind samurai. If you played reaper to any degree you’d know that.

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

As soon as you say a class shouldn’t do as much damage as another because it’s “easier” you lose me. Difficulty is subjective. It is also a myth that people won’t play something “hard” unless it does the most damage. In every game. People just like to bitch that they deserve to be rewarded for “working harder” in a video game. As if they are working that hard. That is also subjective too.

[Maxilor]

Reaper is a great way to get the Melee Role Quest done when you have no desire to play a melee dps.

[Scuoll]

No, you’re allowed to have your opinion. Just stop acting like it is anything but that. You have no objective basis to say anything is over powered or broken. None. You are not on the developer team. You looking at some numbers and data and saying xyz is abc is….an opinion. It is your opinion that reaper is broken because of your subjective feelings. Full stop. Objectively, it is not even crushing samurai or blm. Max potential is the only thing that matters, and max potential has reaper, blm, and Sam within margin of error for RDPS on a 100% uptime fight (which isn’t even where one needs to look for reaper). aDPS (where it matters for reaper) has reaper well behind samurai. If you played reaper to any degree you’d know that.

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

As soon as you say a class shouldn’t do as much damage as another because it’s “easier” you lose me. Difficulty is subjective. It is also a myth that people won’t play something “hard” unless it does the most damage. In every game. People just like to bitch that they deserve to be rewarded for “working harder” in a video game. As if they are working that hard. That is also subjective too.

I feel like the discussion is getting a bit side tracked, but you and a few other people have echoed this sentiment of "max rank is the only thing that matters".
Now i understand that sorting by max on fflogs makes reaper look the most balanced, however, i think it is pretty objectively a bad metric to use for balance, since its the metric with least parses, rng plays a heavier effect, mainly crit rng, is it okay if the only way for reaper to get out dps'd is by players playing every job near perfectly + getting good rng? Not to mention also party composition and kill time play a heavy effect, and probably also heavy padding on fights that allow for it like the ex trials.

Again, the fact that players playing as well as they can sometimes beat rpr in dps is true and it means something, but i still think that the reality shown by sorting from ranks 95 down is way more important, i dont know how square enix does their balancing, but i dont think it makes that much sense to balance only around perfect play AND perfect circumstances, since they are both very rarely happening, they probably have to go for a more "middle of the road approach".

Also given the low difference between rpr's floor and ceiling you yourself have acknowledged, right now it probably risks turning into an "easy mode" of sorts, which i genuinely think is pretty bad for the game.

As a last note, i do my best to just talk about the game, but it really gets hard to take you seriously when you say cringy things such as "i'd wipe the floor with you on any job" and "just trolling lol", just makes you look like a clown tbh

[IruruCece]

It is my “opinion” that DRG and NIN are under performing.

What's really gonna whet your whistle is when you look at the data that objectively proves NIN are underperforming!

[Kabooa]

Uum, excuse me.
False.
Where is your source for this?

The notion that we hate the Job because we criticize it is actkhually a fallacy, and '' hater '' is a buzzword.
Tis merely your opinion that we hate the Job and you only say it in a futile attempt to try and lend your argument more weight.
You're conflating hate with criticism.

I want you to know I saw what you did here.