So you're telling me..

[Maverick_Haas]

Still nobody here asks for nerfs like "2000 DPS less".

I agree it's hyperbole, but effectively people are asking for it to be the worse dps because crest should be tuned? Instead of tuning down crest, they just want to completely kill the class identity.

RPR should have the lowest melee DPS in comparison.

RPR should not be the lowest melee DPS. Everything about this job screams DEAL DAMAGE. It's class identity, transforming into a void sent and dealing a ton of damage, would feel completely underwhelming if it hits like a wet noodle. If you're not a fan of class identity or want to be more realistic with your approach, then RPR's whole kit is designed around having a 40 - 60 second burst phase (double or triple enshroud). Circle gives a 3% damage buff, but most importantly it gives us the resource we need to use PF which enables us to do these long burst phases. I'll be honest and admit that I'm not sure if NIN and DRG has such a long burst phase and set up requirements (although lvl 80 DRG didn't seem have any issue with getting it's burst phase which was maybe a 15-20sec burst iirc). But I guarantee you RPR will become a laugh that it has to do a long burst phase in order to do more DPS than ranged variants.

Stuff like AC is a different thing. It´s just to powerful as tank-healing is. ...which are as strong as or even stronger than the most tools in healer kits.

What I don't understand is if you think crest is so strong, then why not advocate for nerfing it to be more on par with what MNK has, instead of wanting to nerf the whole job in itself. I'm not talking about not tuning at all, of course, but most people's reasoning for nerfing RPR to lowest "melee" dps is because of crest? Makes no sense to me and feels very overreaching. If crest was removed, would their DPS output be more acceptable?

Also, crest is one of the weakest regen abilities, only beating fairy whispering dawn, not to mention is very situational with a 30sec recast time, where as medica 2 can be recast immediately after the 15s duration. Not saying it shouldn't be tuned, but it's asinine to claim that it's putting healers out of a job.

NIN, DRG and SAM should definately have a comfortzone since they need more input and have 0 utility.

?? I don't think I understand what you are saying here, NIN and DRG have a ton of raid utility?

...Of course you don´t have to agree with it...

I don't agree at all with your opinions, but I hope we can at the very least agree to disagree and let SE do what they feel is best.

Those are just bad faith arguments, you can safely ignore them

I agree with you that they were bad faith arguments, but they also tend to be the "loudest" where ever I look.