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  1. #81
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    Maverick_Haas's Avatar
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    Maverick Haas
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    Famfrit
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiraZ View Post
    You claim to read but still remain completely biased, if you say so.
    Wow, what a troll... I've responded to posted data, even admitted that crest needs to be tuned down. The graphs you posted were corrupted yet conceded the graphs do show RPR being strong. If you take an actual look at parses, RPR does show up a lot but there are plenty of BLM/SAM/MNK out dpsing RPRs. Hell, MNK is overrepresented in fights.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/44/#metric=dps

    I want realistic tuning that doesn't immediately kill off the job, all you want to do is nerf the job to the ground because.... it's a little strong on release? Glad you're not balancing the game.

    What an antagonistic, overbearing person you are. I hope you find happiness.
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  2. #82
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    Zira Zira
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick_Haas View Post
    Wow, what a troll... I've responded to posted data, even admitted that crest needs to be tuned down. The graphs you posted were corrupted yet conceded the graphs do show RPR being strong. If you take an actual look at parses, RPR does show up a lot but there are plenty of BLM/SAM/MNK out dpsing RPRs. Hell, MNK is overrepresented in fights.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/44/#metric=dps

    I want realistic tuning that doesn't immediately kill off the job, all you want to do is nerf the job to the ground because.... it's a little strong on release? Glad you're not balancing the game.

    What an antagonistic, overbearing person you are. I hope you find happiness.
    I don't think you know what a troll even is, for example for me a troll would be certain person that goes on the forums and with a straight face says reaper takes a lot of skill so they deserve to be top dps and have tank levels of utility and then makes 3 posts in a row explaining how 3 gauges make reaper a 200IQ 320APM korean starcraft grandmaster job.

    I have never mentioned anything about killing the job, I just mentioned the dps needs to be the lowest of all melee if crest remains untouched and even if crest is only slightly nerfed they need to be under Ninja and Dragoon.
    and again and again you're using the argument of "LOOK BLM AND SAM can actually kinda outdps reaper in some fights so its fine!" when we've already went over 3 pages discussing how they bring zero utility to the raid while reaper brings more healing than some tanks, and yes monk dmg also needs to be addressed but they don't have the burden of also bringing a broken utility spell so they are not main target of peoples frustrations.
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    Last edited by ZiraZ; 12-29-2021 at 08:59 AM.

  3. #83
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    Qynden Peltier
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Salivating over the inexorable Reaper nerfs.
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  4. #84
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    Balar Avagnar
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiraZ View Post
    Reaper deserves a nerf much bigger than that is crest is untouched, it should be under every other single melee in rDPS.
    Even if crest if halved, they need to be under every other melee dps along with monk.
    Comments like this make you a troll.

    You are a troll and you will always be a troll.

    It's like you have some weird, creepy vendetta against Reapers (and judging by the other comments in this topic your obsession is shared by many more).
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  5. #85
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    Conna's Avatar
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    Kaos Conna
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 71
    Should Reaper do less damage than sam and blm? Yes this is obvious, does arcane crest healing matter? No it does not, I main healer, we have way too many buttons for healing already anyway that "utility" means jack squat when I can heal you to full off gcd, and have those cds back before the next damage event because fights are tuned so fights don't strain new healers.
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  6. #86
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Honestly none of this matters. We all know RPR is getting nerfed along with likely WAR while SMN and DRG will likely see some buffs.
    I'm expecting every job but BRD and RDM will see some adjustment
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  7. #87
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    Saturn Vitrell
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    Marauder Lv 18
    I think the issue is Shadow/Whorl of Death. This is 300/100 potency x 10%. Add that to your total potency over full rotation and you get big damage.

    For Arcane Circle, I just use that to beef up my enshroud phase and it just so happens others benefit from that.

    Naturally it's a brand new job and I guess Yoshida wanted everyone to try it so he gave it big attractable damage.

    I don't see that many RPRs like before though and it's not without its problems (animation lock on attacks when you try to use ingress/egress/regress right after).
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    Last edited by Quintessa; 12-29-2021 at 02:12 PM.

  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quintessa View Post
    I think the issue is Shadow/Whorl of Death. This is 300/100 potency x 10%. Add that to your total potency over full rotation and you get big damage.

    For Arcane Circle, I just use that to beef up my enshroud phase and it just so happens others benefit from that.

    Naturally it's a brand new job and I guess Yoshida wanted everyone to try it so he gave it big attractable damage.

    I don't see that many RPRs like before though and it's not without its problems (animation lock on attacks when you try to use ingress/egress/regress right after).
    I severely doubt they went "lets give it big damage: so others will try it
    maximum edge melee DPS wouldn't need any help in that regard

    just glad it is borked and can easily be adjusted unlike SB SAM who underperformed the entire expansion.
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  9. #89
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    Maverick Haas
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    Famfrit
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Quintessa View Post
    I think the issue is Shadow/Whorl of Death. This is 300/100 potency x 10%. Add that to your total potency over full rotation and you get big damage.

    For Arcane Circle, I just use that to beef up my enshroud phase and it just so happens others benefit from that.

    Naturally it's a brand new job and I guess Yoshida wanted everyone to try it so he gave it big attractable damage.

    I don't see that many RPRs like before though and it's not without its problems (animation lock on attacks when you try to use ingress/egress/regress right after).
    Messing with Death's Design is a possible way to tune RPR, but they'll have to be careful. Lowing that number does very broad adjustments.

    IIRC, yoshi-p designed the job to be comparable to SAM. ATM it's more comparable to MNK based on Arcane Circle, and it holds true with RPR and MNK averaging around the same DPS. Whether that means that RPR should be tuned down to SAM, or SAM tuned up, or a little of both is up to SE. All I can say is the class design in definitely meant to be a damage dealer with having everything build up to burst windows, definitely not a utility job.
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  10. #90
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    I severely doubt they went "lets give it big damage: so others will try it
    maximum edge melee DPS wouldn't need any help in that regard

    just glad it is borked and can easily be adjusted unlike SB SAM who underperformed the entire expansion.
    I think it's perfectly reasonable theory they rather risk overtuning a new shiny job and fixing it later, than undertuning it and leave it with a reputation as a a weak job. First impressions matter and all.

    I don't think they intentionally made it OP, but if you aren't quite sure the balancing will work like you intended in practice, it's smart to lean more in that direction.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 12-29-2021 at 05:17 PM.

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