So you're telling me..

[Wyakin]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

[IchiExorz]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

Because MNK is also overtuned. I wouldn't necessarily say overpowered but both jobs seem to be overperforming.
Are BLM & SAM actually underperforming or does it only look that way because RPR & MNK are overperforming?

I'm personally more of a fan of nerfing RPR & MNK rather than buffing SAM & BLM.

[Kolsykol]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

I mean you could either buff others or nerf in order to balance.
I think that currently both are needed.

I also don't think that they should buff too much either because content becomes too easy, they've already sorta ruined the old content by essentially doubling potencies over the years and with all the new abilities etc.
If all you do is buff then it sorta turns content into a joke at some point.
You can already go through the extremes pretty quickly as it is even without pots and food.

Even with just an okay group you'll end the second EX without even getting anywhere close to the enrage I honestly feel like the damage in the fight is already too high.

No, its not. Lets be real here, job complexity is purely subjective

Eh... No.
It absolutely isn't.

[Arkdra]

Eh... No.
It absolutely isn't.

It definitely is. I can't play black mage worth a damn but lots of people out there can go to town with the job. Other people can't deal with the APM requirements of Ninja but I've never had a problem with it. Some people had problems with the kinda rapidfire mechanics of e4, but I find it fun and easy. Any mechanic that makes me look at the arena edge will probably murder me though.

[Kolsykol]

It definitely is. I can't play black mage worth a damn but lots of people out there can go to town with the job. Other people can't deal with the APM requirements of Ninja but I've never had a problem with it. Some people had problems with the kinda rapidfire mechanics of e4, but I find it fun and easy. Any mechanic that makes me look at the arena edge will probably murder me though.

That's not what people are talking about when they're talking about complexity.
People are talking about stuff like SAM Tsubame-gaeshi in SHB.
It's objectively less complex and involved now with two stacks than it was before, that's just a fact.

I actually like the two stacks but just because I like it better doesn't mean that it isn't less complex and that I don't understand why there might be SAM mains who dislike it.
To some extent I feel that way a little too because I do think that it felt rewarding to adapt when you ended up drifting and lining things up correctly and precisely.
It doesn't feel rewarding now it feels brainless.

It's the same on MNK, there was a lot of thought and preparation that went into lining up the burst phase the moment you drifted away from your '' dummy rotation '' player skill became more involved and important and it added complexity to the Job.
Same on BLM, you have a ton more mobility now than you did before and it inherently makes the Job less complex in the context of difficult content.
Again that's not to say it's inherently a negative, I've actually been focusing on gearing BLM along with NIN in EW I'll have bis next reset and I am strongly considering maining it.
I love BLM in EW I've had the most fun on it in the Extremes.
But BLM is less complex now than before.

It's still complex imo especially with Ley Lines but it's definitely less so than before and you have more '' fail safes ''.

[Mysticunicycle]

It definitely is. I can't play black mage worth a damn but lots of people out there can go to town with the job. Other people can't deal with the APM requirements of Ninja but I've never had a problem with it. Some people had problems with the kinda rapidfire mechanics of e4, but I find it fun and easy. Any mechanic that makes me look at the arena edge will probably murder me though.

Unsure if APM is really a consideration in this game? The fastest job in FFXIV is like 15 apm slower than the slowest job in wow, and FFXIV has zero targetting swaps to even take into account. I think decision making is the more difficult aspect of this game, not apm. Everything plays slow as molasses, so you just have to make sure you're pressing the right button at the right time.

[ZiraZ]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

Only blm and sam?
it seems basically everyone is underperforming when compared to reaper and monk, its almost like nerfing them would be the easiest path to take instead of having to buff virtually everything else.
Scuoll's post makes it very clear reaper not only needs a gigantic dps nerf but also needs Arcane crest to be brutally nerfed into the ground, like even a 50% nerf might not be enough it's that broken.
If reaper and monk get to keep their utility like it is, then their rDPS should be way under drg and nin, then it would be balanced.

[Mysticunicycle]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

And... the other 8 dps jobs..?