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  1. #61
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    Valknut's Avatar
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    Agni Highwind
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xiaoki View Post
    Dark Knight's main issue is dungeons?

    What?!

    Well then, lets check FFLogs for dungeon runs. Oh, yeah, they don't log dungeons because no one cares about dungeons.

    Dungeons only purpose is for Tomestones. And they quickly become trivial on any Job in the entire game with raid gear.
    You know, the gear that drops from raids.
    Oh ...uh ...Raids are like dungeons but instead of 4 players you have 8 players.
    Also, Extreme, Savage and Ultimate difficulty raids are the only content that matters what Job you are and how well your Job performs.
    Drk has 0 issues in raids, it has the most dps. Nothing more desirable then that. Also having 8 jobs instead of 4 with the added effect of organized play can make up for any faults DRK has, of which I would say specifically in a raid setting it has very little problems. Lots of comps running DRK/DRK because in a setting where 2 healers worth of oGCDS can make up for any lack of healing/sustain the DRKS have, while also benefitting from having 2 TBNS alternating off CD

    No tank has issues in raids, with the exception of PLDS dmg.
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  2. #62
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    Balar Avagnar
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracosavarian View Post
    Yeah, no, sorry. I’ve been around the block far too many years to buy that.

    This games community is nowhere near as bad as WoW. The amount of hate, outright racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and human toxicity in that game that I have seen and experienced is not something that can even remotely be considered synonymous with FFXIV.

    Nor do I wish to see this game nor the classes be balanced solely upon it’s end game, as you seem to be espousing.

    Yoshida himself said the following: “World first players might have a different perspective to class balance and this might cause some players to distance themselves away from some jobs. However, the goal of balance for us is so that all jobs can be balanced and used and players can have fun with the job they want to play. We want people to explore different jobs because they are different.”


    End game is only one facet of their goal of balance. Not all of it, as you seem to be emphasizing. And I will take the Producer/Director of the games words on this matter over your own, any day.
    During the Shadowbringers Media Tour Yoshi-P was asked, to his face, why Living Dead was still in the game and he answered that it fit the Dark Knight's fantasy and it would stay.

    Yoshi-P has done an absolute terrible job balancing the game, and that is made even more hilarious that you would bring up some nonsense PR crap from him about Job balance in a topic about how bad the Job balance is.

    Keep up the good fight and keep dying on that hill.
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  3. #63
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    Dracosavarian's Avatar
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    Brianna Islen
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xiaoki View Post
    During the Shadowbringers Media Tour Yoshi-P was asked, to his face, why Living Dead was still in the game and he answered that it fit the Dark Knight's fantasy and it would stay.

    Yoshi-P has done an absolute terrible job balancing the game, and that is made even more hilarious that you would bring up some nonsense PR crap from him about Job balance in a topic about how bad the Job balance is.

    Keep up the good fight and keep dying on that hill.

    I was not happy with his answers either. His answer on Living Dead has left me dissatisfied since Stormblood. His reply to Mr Happy in regards to Blood Weapon left me absolutely stunned, and immensely frustrated. But my reply, and using his quote, was not about the balance specifically pertaining to Drk. And you know this.

    It was aimed specifically to counter your point that Drk should be balanced against End Game only. That you feel Dungeons, and by extension, other content outside of End Game, does not matter.

    And while I agree that some classes have definitely missed the mark over the years in how they feel and whether they are fun to play or not, the Team has held to their philosophy in general that End Game is not the end all, be all, of their balancing goals. And in general overall, this game. The fact that it has done so well, and has only grown since the disastrous days of 1.0 which I remember all too well, upholds that.

    We are going to have to agree to disagree. And I am perfectly fine with that. Whatever you end up doing in game, I wish you well.

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  4. #64
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    Character
    Dehal Valdir
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    It's neck and neck with GNB (even slightly ahead depending on your criteria) and while this forum likes to make it out like DRK is some godly DPS powerhouse, it's barely managing a 100 per second lead. It's a little misleading to imply WAR has to pay some kind of DPS tax for having a healing factor that's completely beyond competition.
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    EDIT: Ignore the original last paragraph. I reread your last sentence and misunderstood it initially. The healing factor only makes it stand out in easy content (dungeons) and specifically in wall to wall pulls. Boss fight wise, PLD shines just as brightly in dungeons. Outside of that it doesn't really matter.
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    Last edited by Oextra; 12-29-2021 at 11:36 AM.

  5. #65
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    It seems to me that the dev team ran out of time, it’s as simple as that. See the Monk and Summoner forums for similar complaints.
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  6. #66
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    playing other games like yoshida intended
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    Alondite Ragnell
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oextra View Post
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    Lastly how are simple balance points (heal more do less damage, vice versa, etc.) misleading? That just doesn't make any sense. If WAR did the most damage, healed the most, and had the most mitigation it would truly be broken. Any tank in that scenario would be broken. So it's common sense for every class to have pros and cons.
    I actually don't think its the high end content DRK is falling behind in. Its dungeons and progression content.

    WAR can literally wall to wall with nothing but 1 skill and its aoes and output a heal better than abyssal drain every 25 seconds. You don't even need shit like Repraisal/Rampart or any other blocking move.
    Meanwhile DRK has to use everything in its kit to do the same and still needs its hand held by a healer through the entire thing. It feels really bad.
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  7. #67
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    Oextra's Avatar
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    Dehal Valdir
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I actually don't think its the high end content DRK is falling behind in. Its dungeons and progression content.

    WAR can literally wall to wall with nothing but 1 skill and its aoes and output a heal better than abyssal drain every 25 seconds. You don't even need shit like Repraisal/Rampart or any other blocking move.
    Meanwhile DRK has to use everything in its kit to do the same and still needs its hand held by a healer through the entire thing. It feels really bad.
    Yeah I already acknowledged DRK needs more survivability specifically for dungeon wall to wall pulls. In fact no one is arguing against that. Also yeah WAR doesn't need mitigation for those 8 seconds but it's just as susceptible to damage as any other tank for the 17 seconds afterward.
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  8. #68
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oextra View Post
    WAR Zodiark Extreme is 200 behind GNB.
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    WAR Hydaelyn Extreme is 100-300 behind GNB
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...l&spec=Warrior
    https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings...pec=Gunbreaker

    The list goes on. WAR will never out damage GNB unless it's a good WAR vs bad GNB. GNB is simply designed to do more damage. Just like WAR is designed to heal more.

    Also nobody is saying DRK doesn't need work, however it's not in a desperate situation as people like you are implying. All it really needs is self sustain that rivals GNB and it'd be perfectly fine in all content. Anything else would be a sweet sweet much appreciated bonus.

    EDIT: Ignore the original last paragraph. I reread your last sentence and misunderstood it initially. The healing factor only makes it stand out in easy content (dungeons) and specifically in wall to wall pulls. Boss fight wise, PLD shines just as brightly in dungeons. Outside of that it doesn't really matter.
    If the top <1 percent is the only category of player that matters to you, but even for well above average ones those number start to become a lot closer.
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  9. #69
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Ravana
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    I think a good fix for TBN would be
    when shield breaks/expires grants you a regen and 50-100% parry rate for 10 seconds and call the buff Dark dance
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  10. #70
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    Keraunos Greywolfe
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    Phantom
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    The devs dont play their own game, it is more than obvious now.
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