Its exactly like every DRK thought.

[Manamaru]

LD needs a visual aesthetic to signal to healers that LD is still active instead of counting on them to pay attention to your buff/debuff while mechanics are still happening. Not to mention LD’s mechanic is placed on the job with the lowest self sustain out of all of them while sage may have the worst compatibility with DRK.
Give DRK self sustain instead of trying to turn it into dps-lite. GNB feels more DPS than what ever’s going on with DRK.

[Oextra]

Good, you are a god at the game, we get it.
Stop making everything about savage content. You know people can also, get this, not be interresting in doing high difficulty stuff ?
So it's fine that DRK is a slog in dungeons during levelling, 'cause once you have done them enough to get the high end gear that comes 2 months later you'll do enough damage to be actually good ?
That's your justification ? Why is it only DRK struggling then ?

Listen closely. Nobody, and I mean nobody is saying that DRK shouldn't get some sort of buff to help its survivability. We're just saying to base how strong or weak a class is off of easy content is extremely flawed (especially in this ppm scenario). The class that everyone is saying is OP is being chosen about 18% of the time in top teams for end game content (PLD is even less, 4%). Meanwhile the class everyone is saying is weak is being chosen 37% of the time (GNB the most at 41%).

WAR and PLD are the best for dungeons, but DRK and GNB are clearly the best for end game. As said earlier, DRK only needs help in dungeons but other than that (and well a potency boost for PLD), everything else is technically fine.

[Deceptus]

Well you can argue DRK could get 1400x4 for a PPM for shielding, but where are you going to break TBN reliably 4 times in one min

But yeah, warrior is certainly setting a new bar for what it means to be broken.

Just simply reading the Tooltip shows it isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.

Additional Effect: Restores HP with each weaponskill successfully delivered
Cure Potency: 400

NOT every enemy hit, Every weapons skill used.

So it should be doing 400 potency every time you press the Weaponskill for a average total of 1200 potency per Raw Intuition / Bloodwhetting cycle which isn't over powered at all.

Warrior is broken because a skill is bugged.

[Kalaam]

Listen closely. Nobody, and I mean nobody is saying that DRK shouldn't get some sort of buff to help its survivability. We're just saying to base how strong or weak a class is off of easy content is extremely flawed (especially in this ppm scenario). The class that everyone is saying is OP is being chosen about 18% of the time in top teams for end game content (PLD is even less, 4%). Meanwhile the class everyone is saying is weak is being chosen 37% of the time (GNB the most at 41%).

WAR and PLD are the best for dungeons, but DRK and GNB are clearly the best for end game. As said earlier, DRK only needs help in dungeons but other than that (and well a potency boost for PLD), everything else is technically fine.

My main issue with DRK isn't that much about numbers tbh, its mechanics are completely non existent and that's what worries me the most

[ThorneDynasty]

I'm curious in what you mean by spread so widely? It literally only does 1 thing better than other tanks. Self heal. The only other thing that it has that the other tanks don't is guaranteed direct hit crits. Even so, it's in third place damage wise. Lastly it's the simplest tank (arguably class) to play. All of this pretty much makes it impossible for it to be "spread widely".

It's neck and neck with GNB (even slightly ahead depending on your criteria) and while this forum likes to make it out like DRK is some godly DPS powerhouse, it's barely managing a 100 per second lead. It's a little misleading to imply WAR has to pay some kind of DPS tax for having a healing factor that's completely beyond competition.

[Dracosavarian]

Listen closely. Nobody, and I mean nobody is saying that DRK shouldn't get some sort of buff to help its survivability. We're just saying to base how strong or weak a class is off of easy content is extremely flawed (especially in this ppm scenario). The class that everyone is saying is OP is being chosen about 18% of the time in top teams for end game content (PLD is even less, 4%). Meanwhile the class everyone is saying is weak is being chosen 37% of the time (GNB the most at 41%).

WAR and PLD are the best for dungeons, but DRK and GNB are clearly the best for end game. As said earlier, DRK only needs help in dungeons but other than that (and well a potency boost for PLD), everything else is technically fine.

But is it fun? Is playing Dark Knight, in its current state, FUN? Because in the end, that is the question on which the answer truly matters.

[Xiaoki]

I would make the counter argument, that the vast majority of this games community, does not wish to see FFXIV turn into World of Warcraft.

I would make the counter argument ...LOL!!!

The FF14 community just does a better job of hiding it's bad side.

[Dracosavarian]

I would make the counter argument ...LOL!!!

The FF14 community just does a better job of hiding it's bad side.

Yeah, no, sorry. I’ve been around the block far too many years to buy that.

This games community is nowhere near as bad as WoW. The amount of hate, outright racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and human toxicity in that game that I have seen and experienced is not something that can even remotely be considered synonymous with FFXIV.

Nor do I wish to see this game nor the classes be balanced solely upon it’s end game, as you seem to be espousing.

Yoshida himself said the following: “World first players might have a different perspective to class balance and this might cause some players to distance themselves away from some jobs. However, the goal of balance for us is so that all jobs can be balanced and used and players can have fun with the job they want to play. We want people to explore different jobs because they are different.”


End game is only one facet of their goal of balance. Not all of it, as you seem to be emphasizing. And I will take the Producer/Director of the games words on this matter over your own, any day.

[Hierro]

Yeah, no, sorry. I’ve been around the block far too many years to buy that.

This games community is nowhere near as bad as WoW. The amount of hate, outright racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and human toxicity in that game that I have seen and experienced is not something that can even remotely be considered synonymous with FFXIV.

Nor do I wish to see this game nor the classes be balanced solely upon it’s end game, as you seem to be espousing.

Yoshida himself said the following: “World first players might have a different perspective to class balance and this might cause some players to distance themselves away from some jobs. However, the goal of balance for us is so that all jobs can be balanced and used and players can have fun with the job they want to play. We want people to explore different jobs because they are different.”


End game is only one facet of their goal of balance. Not all of it, as you seem to be emphasizing. And I will take the Producer/Director of the games words on this matter over your own, any day.

Take his word for it? Bruh, blood weapon isn't actually ten seconds. If he hasn't fixed something as simple as that, his word is just another opinion.

[Aluja89]

Yeah, no, sorry. I’ve been around the block far too many years to buy that.

This games community is nowhere near as bad as WoW. The amount of hate, outright racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and human toxicity in that game that I have seen and experienced is not something that can even remotely be considered synonymous with FFXIV.

Nor do I wish to see this game nor the classes be balanced solely upon it’s end game, as you seem to be espousing.

Yoshida himself said the following: “World first players might have a different perspective to class balance and this might cause some players to distance themselves away from some jobs. However, the goal of balance for us is so that all jobs can be balanced and used and players can have fun with the job they want to play. We want people to explore different jobs because they are different.”


End game is only one facet of their goal of balance. Not all of it, as you seem to be emphasizing. And I will take the Producer/Director of the games words on this matter over your own, any day.

Yeahhhh taking his word doesn't seem to hold that much merit considering how he's homogenizing everything between tanks and healers since SHB.