Nothing makes sense and it's all Elidibus' fault (Spoilers)

[Silver-Strider]

Which makes me wonder if one of our shards hasn't inherited this aspect of our old complete soul.

It'll probably the one lost on the 13th that is now going from shard to shard absorbing each of our remaining fragments and will be the BBEG of the next story now that the Hydaelyn vs Zodiark saga is over.

[KageTokage]

It'll probably the one lost on the 13th that is now going from shard to shard absorbing each of our remaining fragments and will be the BBEG of the next story now that the Hydaelyn vs Zodiark saga is over.

Honestly, I'm half-expecting that Zenos' avatar is that shard and that it's going to come after us using his body now that he's probably actually dead.

I don't think Yoshi would've hint-hinted at the thing being important if it wasn't going to become a problem in the future.

[Pintsized]

the Warrior of Light's presence in the unsundered star did have an effect on the future, as Venat as Hydaelyn does remember the Warrior of Light from the past.

For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.

[Larirawiel]

For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.

Jepp. That is the reason why story writers should not introduce time traveling without being very careful. And if they introduce it then they should reduce the players to an observer role only. The FF14 story writers have made already some mistakes because of time travel to Elpis.


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[Vrankyl]

For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.

The reason for that is because if she had told us it might have changed the future. If you subscribe to multiverse theory, if they do anything different than has already been done then it doesn't impact that time line but splits it off into its own alternate timeline. This is what happened to G'raha's original timeline. He went back and changed the future, resulting in an alternate timeline that is unrecognizable to the main one. If Hydaelyn had acknowledged our meeting before it happened it would have done the same thing, thus when we returned may not return to the same present we left. It's a causal loop, so long as the conditions remain the exact same there is no change to the timeline and does not result in an alternative timeline. Which is why she kept quiet until the exact point where she knew we had already traveled to the past. This exact method and reasoning of time travel is actually pretty common and used a lot in media, and is the most reasonable sense of it.

[Adeacia]

For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.

She never told us because she's aware that she never did. We told her our story starting from ARR. We never mentioned anything about her knowing us from the past, so she knows she never brought it up. Being that the entire story up until we leave Elpis is one giant time loop, nothing can change.

[Saraide]

I could handle G'raha Tia's time travel shenanigans, but the stuff with Elpis I just cannot get behind.

First of all, it is all but confirmed that the Warrior of Light's presence in the unsundered star did have an effect on the future, as Venat as Hydaelyn does remember the Warrior of Light from the past. Nobody else does for some reason; Meteion, as the largest example, is surprised when we know Hermes' name, even though during that span of time we interacted with Meteion more than Hermes did.

Additionally, while it's also implied that the sundered souls inherited some of the personality(?) from their Amaurotine selves, this manifests nowhere even though the Warrior of Light was seen by, conservatively, a few dozen ancients in Elpis, who likely should have spoken of the sightings of 'Azem's Familiar' or even talked to him about it.

Branching off of that, if the Warrior of Light being handwaved away in Elpis as Azem's Familiar was made aware to more Amaurotines than the one who were mind wiped by Kardion, wouldn't query of this have reached Azem themselves, or at least some member of the convocation?

Would Zodiark contain a soul that knew about the Warrior of Light? Would this have influence how Zodiark acted in the WoL's presence? Would they know they had a connection to Azem even while carrying Azem's funny lemon-flavored crystal that can summon the Scions back from the dead?

I blame Elidibus for all of this. Time is a flat circle.

We interacted with a hopeful meteion that got drowned out by the despair that infested the shared consciousness. Azem very well could have been in on the entire thing, we know venat was gathering trustworthy people around her for her plan and we also know that Azem should have been purged from ancient history because of treason. Many ancients are extremely polite, some say they'll just wait until azem publishes the concept. I think none of the ones that remember would even dare to take up a moment of a convocation member's time. Most of them recognize you as familiar but I dont think we tell a lot of them about being azem's familiar. When we met zodiark, he was controlled by fandaniel and I dont think he cared about us that much, he just wanted to pave the way for the song of oblivion.

[-Mira-]

Thing is it is more Hemes his fault (not intentional, more like an experiment gone very very very wrong) because he had already send many of Meteion’s sisters away who all just found death. As for Meteion not remembering us I think that could be to information overload and trauma the shared information her sisters bought upon her. We only met her for a small sliver of her time. She spend more good hours with Hermes in her lifetime so it is only natural for her to have more emotional memories tied. We spend maybe 2 days with her one happy day and the day she got traumatised. So maybe she blend us out based on that experience.

[Jennah]

If you ask me, either the rules G'raha's time travel make sense, or the rules of the Elpis journey do.
Both at once in the same story do not.

[Hysorn]

If you ask me, either the rules G'raha's time travel make sense, or the rules of the Elpis journey do.
Both at once in the same story do not.

I assume that this happened because G'raha travelled to another shard instead of directly to the past, he travelled to the First 100 years prior to when he expected to.

You gotta remember that our characters are a causal loop, we always went back to the past which led to Venat choosing us, we don't know how that loop started but that's what happened, so it's safe to assume that G'raha having experienced the rejoining, travelling to the First and pulling us from the Source is part of how we got back to the past in the first place, so in a way, his time travel stuff was always part of the main timeline.