Nothing makes sense and it's all Elidibus' fault (Spoilers)

[Chie_M]

Think this depends on if Themis is Elidibus or not.

The post-credits voiced cutscene confirms that he is.

[Powercow]

The post-credits voiced cutscene confirms that he is.

See that's something that bugs me. It's obvious Themis is Elidibus. Really obvious. TOO obvious.

Like, every other time this expansion there was a "twist" that was super-duper obvious they just call it out right away. Loporrits with a mysterious group they're in contact with? Yeah, it's the Forum, we know. A mysterious dragon ally of some dude who rules Thavnair with some weird red-eyed kid with a weirdly large amount of authority? Yeah pull down the curtain and show yourself, Vrtra. But then there's Themis and... nobody's calling it out. Maybe the WoL is just kinda dumb, one too many hits to the head. Y'shtola and Estinien were the ones to call out the ones above. I dunno. I think they might do some weird double-fakeout.

[Chie_M]

See that's something that bugs me. It's obvious Themis is Elidibus. Really obvious. TOO obvious.

Like, every other time this expansion there was a "twist" that was super-duper obvious they just call it out right away. Loporrits with a mysterious group they're in contact with? Yeah, it's the Forum, we know. A mysterious dragon ally of some dude who rules Thavnair with some weird red-eyed kid with a weirdly large amount of authority? Yeah pull down the curtain and show yourself, Vrtra. But then there's Themis and... nobody's calling it out. Maybe the WoL is just kinda dumb, one too many hits to the head. Y'shtola and Estinien were the ones to call out the ones above. I dunno. I think they might do some weird double-fakeout.

The writing in Endwalker is too railroaded and cliché for it to be a fakeout.

[KyahAlmasy]

Well, Meteion doesn't remember you because it suggests that although the sisters share a consciousness, they do not share each other's memories. Meteion eludes to this on the ship when she fails to recognize you, stating that we must've met one of her other sisters (Suggesting that another sister might recognize us.) It's eluded to again when we're fighting the merged Meteion, and can still see the pure Meteion flying around maintaining her individuality, expressing different thoughts, and goals.

This is also why Meteion has such a profound emotional reaction to the flowers, and Hermes' speech, because for many of them it is the first time actually hearing these words, and the joy, and happiness it fills them with allows the good-willed Meteion to wrestle enough control of their shared consciousness to speak out to us. This version of Meteion does know who we are, and pleads with us to silence their song of oblivion.

[TheMightyMollusk]

See that's something that bugs me. It's obvious Themis is Elidibus. Really obvious. TOO obvious.

Like, every other time this expansion there was a "twist" that was super-duper obvious they just call it out right away. Loporrits with a mysterious group they're in contact with? Yeah, it's the Forum, we know. A mysterious dragon ally of some dude who rules Thavnair with some weird red-eyed kid with a weirdly large amount of authority? Yeah pull down the curtain and show yourself, Vrtra. But then there's Themis and... nobody's calling it out. Maybe the WoL is just kinda dumb, one too many hits to the head. Y'shtola and Estinien were the ones to call out the ones above. I dunno. I think they might do some weird double-fakeout.

The WoL has a history of not bothering to call out obvious "twists". Remember way back in the first Hildebrand quests, when we're told to look out for a hulking man in garish red clothes minutes before Gilgamesh shows up, and nobody questions it? Or how the Ishgardian church were the bad guys? Or any number of occasions where the big reveal is that the Empire or the Ascians were behind it? We could probably debate whether the WoL is really just that oblivious or apathetic, or whether the writers left it to the player to decide how they should react, but there is a precedent for it.

[kejakalope]

The WoL has a history of not bothering to call out obvious "twists". Remember way back in the first Hildebrand quests, when we're told to look out for a hulking man in garish red clothes minutes before Gilgamesh shows up, and nobody questions it? Or how the Ishgardian church were the bad guys? Or any number of occasions where the big reveal is that the Empire or the Ascians were behind it? We could probably debate whether the WoL is really just that oblivious or apathetic, or whether the writers left it to the player to decide how they should react, but there is a precedent for it.

To be fair, the WoL has taken a LOT of tankbusters to the noggin over the years.

[TheMightyMollusk]

To be fair, the WoL has taken a LOT of tankbusters to the noggin over the years.

The landslides......the landslides.......

[Averax]

The post-credits voiced cutscene confirms that he is.

They also tell you in the MSQ that only like two people wear white robes and one is Venat, because she's a retired member of the convocation who did NOT choose to return to the star after stepping down, and Elidibus.