please balance seals per hour

[syntaxlies]

A good point. Doing Toto-rak solo would actually be slower, due to more backtracking. o.O I should have thought of that.

So the would-be exploit is actually more inefficient than simply duoing as normal. o.o Which brings us back to the OP topic - seal leves and caravans need some tweaking of the upward variety.

I wouldn't mind caravans base reward if the bonus tiers were higher so that a perfect run could get 500-700. that would put caravan at 2-2.8k an hour if your doing flawless runs.

[Noir]

I concur that some adjustment would be a good idea. (o.0 ) I just discard the fifteen minute leves that I get, and cycle them until I get a hunt-the-snurble/eyeball leve at Halitali - the longer ones are simply not worth the time involved.

Of course, once I began doing Toto-Rak spam, I never bothered with anything else. o_O Definitely agree with OP that some tweaking is in order.

Don't bad mouth toto. You can get 10k seals in desmael really fast. But you know why we dont. Because its a pain in the ass all the bitching and whinning for loot. That's why ppl like me got sick and tired of doing parties there. Leave toto alone. We need some peace of mind!

[AegisXI]

I'm pretty sure Toto speed run is not an exploit... but yes more seals for Canvas missions would be nice

[Arcell]

Some tweaking is definitely in order, on all of the things other than Toto-rak. Toto-rak has a good rate of seal acquisition, other things need to be brought up to comparable par with it. The leves and carvans, as others have stated, are hardly worth doing for how many seals you get compared to Toto-rak. The low-level NM items are all well and good but it's 100% up to luck.

[Zyph]

Don't bad mouth toto. You can get 10k seals in desmael really fast. But you know why we dont. Because its a pain in the ass all the bitching and whinning for loot. That's why ppl like me got sick and tired of doing parties there. Leave toto alone. We need some peace of mind!

This is exactly why I do Toto-rak, just me and buddy and we get about 5k an hour with pretty much zero stress and total fairness. It's like "Oh, I got 4 drops from the 5 chests and you only got 1, here let me give one of my drops so you don't feel like you've wasted your time." Way less stress than with Dzemael.

[Green_and_a_Half]

toto solo = 24 minutes, duo = 15 minutes and less greens dropping to the ground.
its true 3-4 runs in an hour is 3k seals and 4-5 leves per hour is 500 seals
also gathering mats to turn in at 99 an hour is only 297 seals. very unbalanced.
8 man DH might give 2-4 blue giving 4k seals over 8 people, 500 seals per run average.
so turning in made items, giving 100 average a turn in is where the seals are best gotten. 80 hasty hands an hour, 8000 seals average just have to get the mats

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:_N..._Seal_exchange
http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:Th...ws_of_Toto-Rak
http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&FFXIV_Gr...sions_Missions
Yes please fix so there is an average

[Green_and_a_Half]

ps, CC and AV seal turn in? 2-3k an item?
1.22b? hoping for this
fawking scorpion shields

[Zyph]

ps, CC and AV seal turn in? 2-3k an item?
1.22b? hoping for this
fawking scorpion shields

You can sell CC and AV drops (except DL gear) on the market wards, so no I don't think so.

[Klive]

The toto for seals is grinding in the purest form, something not everyone wants to do. My problem with it is makes it hard to build chocobo escort groups or Darkhold groups for marks. I understand why, it is a far improved investment for you time to seals. Why even bother building a party to get seals when you can just get one other for toto and get more seals? I will not do Toto grinds, every time I try to I end up getting so bored with FF14 that I don't play for a few days. It just burns me out and bores me that much.

I completely agree, balance and/or adjust the seal rates so more options are worth while. More options are always better. Speaking of which, why can't we have group company leves? Guarding that retarded alchemist might be fun if fighting a hoard of monsters with a group.

[Dzian]

toto solo = 24 minutes, duo = 15 minutes and less greens dropping to the ground.

http://xivpads.com/?-Guides&Guide:Th...ws_of_Toto-Rak

Map I made for friends and linkshell.(Click it to enlarge) 2 people running this route can clear full chest run in 12 minutes

Also there seems to be alot of confusion over the kill chest pop conditions. You only need to the kill the 2 bombs at the little star in my map for the kill chest. you can sleepga and run past absolutely everything else. but yeah running this with 2 people you can earn between 2.5k and 3.5k seals in ~45 minutes