The Garlean Empire vs Omega

[Necrotica]

Seeing as how the Garlean Empire was able to kill Midgardsormr, do you think they could have killed Omega?

Omega was made out to be an extreme threat, but it could not defeat Midgardsormr. And while it did cost them one of their best ships at the time to kill the great dragon, the Garlean empire has since built more powerful flagships.

Midgardsormr did fight in a rather...suicidal fashion I will admit. Were dragons always intelligent or in 1.0 were they supposed to just be beasts? That would explain Midgardsormr's battle tactics during the battle of Silver Tear Lake.

[SannaR]

I'm only replying to say Cleretic dun do it. Don't take the bait. Save your sanity, kupo.

[Necrotica]

I'm only replying to say Cleretic dun do it. Don't take the bait. Save your sanity, kupo.

Is there some fear of people just theorycrafting/debating topics on this forum? Are you and Cleretic the arbiters is what allowed to be discussed?

Cleretic is amusing is their MY CANON IS ONLY CANON but c'mon. Let's have some fun discussions.

[SannaR]

Is there some fear of people just theorycrafting/debating topics on this forum? Are you and Cleretic the arbiters is what allowed to be discussed?

Cleretic is amusing is their MY CANON IS ONLY CANON but c'mon. Let's have some fun discussions.

No, we aren't. It's just your OP is so full of holes and easily refuted that it comes off as another attempt to troll.

[Cleretic]

No, we aren't. It's just your OP is so full of holes and easily refuted that it comes off as another attempt to troll.

It's a thread made by Necrotica, it's always an attempt to troll.

I could make more legitimate arguments, but I won't, because even if they're not trolling they come at these subjects from such a meaningless, antagonistic perspective that it's not worth participating in, it's only an argument made for the sake of arguing. Hell, you can tell by the actual OP; their actual post isn't even related to the thread title, it's just taking shots at Midgardsormr.

[rainichan]

Assuming you want actual discussion: I mean... they tried to control it, and we had a whole raid series based on it. I would assume though, that Middy fought Omega, they hurt each other pretty badly, but that's where it stopped. After that, Middy fled with his eggs and washed his theoretical hands of it until the whole Omegascape thing.

But since one of the Empire's greatest minds couldn't control it, I doubt they could have actually done anything to it. They barely had control over Ultima and that was only because they had the Ascian Whisperer in their ear (who still betrayed them to have his evil laugh and our most meme'd line from Praetorium) so...

[KageTokage]

I think the only reason Omega didn't wipe the floor with...basically everyone was because it was testing us in order to improve itself, not simply fighting for the sake of fighting. Its primary directive was to defeat Midgarsormr (Or in absence of that, entities similar to him like Bahamut or Shinryu), and the secondary was evolve.

It deliberately adopts "illogical" and "inefficient" qualities/behaviors in the final battle as Omega M/F out of a desire to try understand what makes us tick...so I'm curious to see what comes of that in the ultimate with the implication it does somehow grasp that "heart" is the quality it was missing.

[Cleretic]

I think the only reason Omega didn't wipe the floor with...basically everyone was because it was testing us in order to improve itself, not simply fighting for the sake of fighting. Its primary directive was to defeat Midgarsormr (Or in absence of that, entities similar to him like Bahamut or Shinryu), and the secondary was evolve.

It deliberately adopts "illogical" and "inefficient" qualities/behaviors in the final battle as Omega M/F out of a desire to try understand what makes us tick...so I'm curious to see what comes of that in the ultimate with the implication it does somehow grasp that "heart" is the quality it was missing.

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons why this hypothetical Death Battle scenario in the OP is totally unworkable, but this is kinda the gist of it; we don't actually know what a full-power, no-stops fight-to-the-death Omega would do. We only fought it in its own weird psuedospace, and it was only doing weird testing.

Even the 'Omega lost to Midgardsormr' data point is worthless, because we don't even know how how their fight went. We can speculate as to the reason Omega lost (my personal angle is 'Omega's O11 hitbox wouldn't be able to avoid any of the O10 attack patterns'), but we can't just assume that fact to universally lead to 'Midgardsormr beats Omega' or any followup extensions of that assumption. Not only do we not know the victory conditions or end state beyond the fact they both survived, there's also no chance at all that it was some complete vacuum 1v1, no items on Final Destination; there was most likely other stuff going on, including terrain and reinforcements. For all we know Midgardsormr got in a lucky shot and escaped, or Omega got outnumbered. We saw part of the conflict between the Dragonstar and Omicrons in the Stigma Dreamscape, we can be pretty confident from seeing that that the fight wasn't just two lone agents.

[Necrotica]

Looking at all the firepower that the Garleans have, I think a fully kitted out Legion or two could potentially take Omega out.

Part of what stopped Midgardsormr was the sheer volume of fire they could put out. Omega showed incredible ability to dodge incoming fire when facing Shinriyu, but that was still a stale mate against a single target. Taking fire from all directions from 100s of targets could potentially overwhelm its ability to calculate evasive maneuvers. It could not even fully evade a group of 8 adventures on foot.

[kaynide]

Fun fact: Midgardsormr was not, in fact, killed by the Garleans.

More fun facts: the means by which a dragon actually is destroyed is rather ambiguous and may or may not involve their eyes, ability to possess others, etc.

They are not entirely unlike the Ascians in certain aspects.

Or did you not play Heavansward?