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    So, where's the Sun on the Moon?

    Not really a spoiler unless it is explained in side quests (if so just say that), but from the moon, there is clearly light and shadows...but no sun to be seen in the sky. What's up?
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    I was actually wondering that myself.
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    If it is modeled per our real Earth, Moon, and Sun, then due to the lack of an atmosphere on the Moon, the "sky" would always be dark and would be like night time on Earth in general appearance even at "high noon". The Sun would appear as a "larger" star in the night sky, bright enough to "light up" the surface and cast shadows, but it's apparent size would be smaller than say a full Moon as seen from Earth.
    Remember, the only reason we see a "bright blue sky" on Earth is due to our atmosphere refracting and being illuminated by the Sun light and without it we would see what the astronauts see outside of our atmosphere, a field of darkness with small light points from stars/galaxies.

    I don't think the game explained fully why we can walk the surface of the Moon in game and not suffocate (and irradiate), but lets chalk it up to magic

    To add, in real life due to the rotational speed of the Moon, a full day/night cycle last about 4 weeks, so the changes through out the "day" and "night" are very small compared to a typical 24 hour day/night cycle on Earth

    This website shows a video of what it is like from the Moon surface having a sunrise:
    https://earthsky.org/space/how-often...from-the-moon/
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    Last edited by Kirika-; 12-26-2021 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirika- View Post
    If it is modeled per our real Earth, Moon, and Sun, then due to the lack of an atmosphere on the Moon, the "sky" would always be dark and would be like night time on Earth in general appearance even at "high noon". The Sun would appear as a "larger" star in the night sky, bright enough to "light up" the surface and cast shadows, but it's apparent size would be smaller than say a full Moon as seen from Earth.
    Remember, the only reason we see a "bright blue sky" on Earth is due to our atmosphere refracting and being illuminated by the Sun light and without it we would see what the astronauts see outside of our atmosphere, a field of darkness with small light points from stars/galaxies.

    I don't think the game explained fully why we can walk the surface of the Moon in game and not suffocate (and irradiate), but lets chalk it up to magic

    To add, in real life due to the rotational speed of the Moon, a full day/night cycle last about 4 weeks, so the changes through out the "day" and "night" are very small compared to a typical 24 hour day/night cycle on Earth

    This website shows a video of what it is like from the Moon surface having a sunrise:
    https://earthsky.org/space/how-often...from-the-moon/

    Spoilers-ish:
    I believe its magic or magitek of sorts. While the Moon and the unrealistic stuff about it isn't explicitly explained, the Loporrits explain a few things that imply that its all magic and technology. For example, it not being a moon at all, but a giant space ship masquerading as a moon, and explaining how they generate a breathable environment with the "tree" like structures. Which allows them to not have to explain or think about realism, its all technology and magic beyond anything we could understand.
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    I have crazy theory in regards to this. The moon actually gives off its own light instead of only reflecting the sunlight. Just giving this out because I read somewhere that the devs put some of the theories in regards to the moon into reality when it comes to the world of FFXIV like the moon is hollow, has a moon base or perhaps even a giant artificial satellite i.e. crafted by intelligent design.
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    Today I learned

    My main question was just where physically is the sun- I was expecting one of the various stars to appear larger..but as seen on your link it’s actually not that much bigger than other stars.

    So which of those little balls is our sun I wonder. Maybe someone out there is comparing skyboxes….
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    Better question, where is the sun and moon on Elpis? Moon probably didn't exist yet because [readacted].

    But I see no sun either, it's just lightsource from nowhere.
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    Name Meaning:
    Nekaru = Neko + Hikaru
    Infitima = Infinity + Ultima

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima View Post
    Better question, where is the sun and moon on Elpis? Moon probably didn't exist yet because [readacted].

    But I see no sun either, it's just lightsource from nowhere.
    The reason you only see light sources are:

    Elpis is "inside" of a containment area of Amaurot, as a place to isolate all the experimental concepts (critters) being created.
    Within are further internal containment areas; The Gates of Pandaemonium (where the really bad critters were kept) and Ktisis Hyperboreia (where critters that are undergoing final evaluation are processed)
    Think of it like a really "big" TARDIS


    My Bad.... I had mixed up some other lore

    The Sun and Moon are visible in Elpis


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirika- View Post
    The reason you only see light sources are:

    Elpis is "inside" of a containment area of Amaurot, as a place to isolate all the experimental concepts (critters) being created.
    Within are further internal containment areas; The Gates of Pandaemonium (where the really bad critters were kept) and Ktisis Hyperboreia (where critters that are undergoing final evaluation are processed)
    Where/when was that stated? I’m pretty sure the game said that Elpis is physically located in the skies above Amaurot. Especially since the Meteia were able to leave/depart the planet’s atmosphere to outer space from Elpis. That’s pretty damming evidence that Elpis isn’t “inside” Amaurot.

    Also even parts of the Ktisis Hyperboreia have to be located “outside” the building, as Meteion herself was also to escape into outer space from the third level of the dungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirika- View Post
    The reason you only see light sources are:

    Elpis is "inside" of a containment area of Amaurot, as a place to isolate all the experimental concepts (critters) being created.
    Within are further internal containment areas; The Gates of Pandaemonium (where the really bad critters were kept) and Ktisis Hyperboreia (where critters that are undergoing final evaluation are processed)
    Think of it like a really "big" TARDIS


    My Bad.... I had mixed up some other lore

    The Sun and Moon are visible in Elpis


    Updated my post with corrections
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    Kirika Yuumura of the Noir

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    Plot 7, Ward 22, Shirogane, Faerie

    Noir... It is the name of an ancient fate. Two maidens who govern death; the peace of the newly-born Noir hands protect.

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