Quote Originally Posted by Delphinus View Post
I have been playing Red Mage and Summoner back to back using various ways to determine damage output and Summoner is pulling waaaaaay below Red Mage which offers far more raid utility. Summoner clearly needs to a buff or it will have no place in savage raiding, please make some potency adjustments.
To nitpick a bit. RDM doesn't offer far more utility than SMN, they actually have access to the same exact tools with the exception of magick barrier and Pheonix Regen. Now to be fair, RDM utility is better utilized than SMN and the primary utility we're all dancing around being verraise dualcast is definitely strong enough that SMN should be buffed to be at least 300 to 400 dps higher than where it is. However, we've seen before that verraise isn't strong enough to carry RDM against SMN from patch 4.1 if the DPS dispairty between them is too big. Eden's Promise had SMN about 500 rdps higher than RDM at the 99th percentile and both jobs felt considerably effective in that environment.

So lets aim for that specifically as opposed to asking for buffs to SMN that just leave RDM in the dust. As a main since stormblood, it's been a pretty rough relationship between them that took them until mid shadowbringers to really fix and this doesn't even factor BLM blowing both of them out of the water by a ridiculous margin at the start of shadowbringers. That said, I agree with SMN needing buffs, just don't look at RDM like it's dominating SMN at the moment when both of them are alot closer in utility than most really want to agree