Changes Need to be Made to HoH

[AbysmalDuck]

I know people will disagree and I'll get a lot of hate, but then again that is what this is for to provide my opinion and have an open discussion.

I want to go into HoH to gain aetherpool and collect chests. That was what the dungeon was created for. It was not created for 10 level speed runs to level your alts. Unfortunately, that was something the community found as a fast way of leveling and that is fine, but that isn't what matched party making is for. You should be creating party finders for this as you are changing the original intent of the dungeon to your playstyle.

This is the definition of party finder. PF is for speedruns/exp farming. You should not be allowed to vote dismiss me from HoH when I'm simply doing the duty as it was created to be done.

As I said, considering how many people I've had say shit to me thus far from just trying to collect silver chests and get intuitions, I know I'll get flamed, but if at least one person from SE sees this, I would appreciate you doing something about either the amount of exp or something to deter from this behavior.

[Penthea]

I want to go into HoH to gain aetherpool and collect chests. That was what the dungeon was created for. It was not created for 10 level speed runs to level your alts.

You do realise that content can serve more than one purpose, right? Not just the purpose you personally prefer to do.

[Rufalus]

If they gave bonus exp for enemies slain and coffers opened, we could get everyone on the same page, exploring being the most efficient way to grind even if you're there for exp. The fixed amount of exp per run made this speedrun vs explorers conflict.

[Kaurhz]

If I'm to be frank. I don't think Deep Dungeon should've been used as a levelling playground in the first place. But instead rather something incorporated exclusively at endgame, with multiple difficulty modes and have gear rewards tied to it, and I don't mean the poultry aether weapons, but instead something that could rival or be used as an alternate gearing path, or in conjunction with tomestone and savage gear. I feel it would add some more variety to gear progression.

[Azuri]

There is no "right" way to play in a matched party. Duty Finder just throws three warm bodies to you. You playstyle and goals may not align - this is the price for the convenience of just clicking "queue".

Or... You can take your own advice and just make a PF party where you are free to state whatever goal you deem neccessary and get players who are on the same page as you. And boy, floor 21-30 intuitions? There is like nothing in those sacks.

[AbysmalDuck]

You do realise that content can serve more than one purpose, right? Not just the purpose you personally prefer to do.

I do realize this, which is why I said it was fine that the community found this to be a way to level, but I shouldn't be bullied into playing the way they interpret the dungeon should be played. I also shouldn't be vote dismissed for opening chests as I wasn't doing anything outside the scope of the dungeon.

This would be like dismissing people for opening chests in a leveling dungeon as you walk through the corridors.

Obviously, you only get one side of the story here, but I reported the incident and I'll just have to let SE look into what they think is right or wrong.

[ArchlordPie]

Matched party HoH is for whatever the matched party says it's for. If 3 people in the group decide they're speedrunning and skipping all the silver chests, then the run is a speedrun and silver chests will be skipped. If you don't like it, throw up a PF for "HoH aetherpool leveling" and stack the group with other people like you who want to hunt for upgrades. Most of the people solo queuing for HoH already have max aetherpool gear and just want to get in and get out, and quite frankly, if you got votekicked from HoH to begin with, you did something very wrong, because you can quite literally run a whole 21-30 round there without ever contributing in combat and still not get kicked as long as you're not interfering with everyone else's progress.

If I had to guess, all you did was ignore the fact that the exit was open and 3 people were standing in it waiting for you to join them, and you made them wait long enough that it convinced them that they'd get done faster if they kicked you and 3-manned the rest of the run.

[AbysmalDuck]

There is no "right" way to play in a matched party. Duty Finder just throws three warm bodies to you. You playstyle and goals may not align - this is the price for the convenience of just clicking "queue".

Or... You can take your own advice and just make a PF party where you are free to state whatever goal you deem neccessary and get players who are on the same page as you. And boy, floor 21-30 intuitions? There is like nothing in those sacks.

You are right, I could take my advice, but then you would basically say that everything in the game needs to be party findered as you said since there is no "right" way to play in a matched party. We are playing with wording at that point.

Also, the items in the hoard sacks may not be anything to you, but to me they are a way of collecting minions that I haven't gotten from retainers. The thing I'm trying to get across here if you want to play outside the scope of what the dungeon was originally designed for, then you should go to PF.

This is from the NA FFXIV official HoH page:

"While floors up to 30 are related to the story of Heaven-on-High, all floors after were created strictly as a challenge for players."

This does not say anything about speedrunning or exp farming. Again, this isn't to argue about what people are using HoH for. It is to state that I should not be vote dismissed for simply doing what the duty was created for.

[hydralus]

You're trying to impose your playstyle on 3 other randoms while also saying it's wrong for them to impose their playstyle on you. Just relax. If you want complete control over the group content you run, make a PF for it, or try and run it solo.

[HyoMinPark]

HoH—and PotD—have always been “majority rules” when it comes to either the fast runs or coffer runs. It’s never been fully about one or the other. Whatever the majority of the group wants is what the party does. Just like any other content that you queue up for via a matched party. If someone doesn’t match the mentality of the majority, then the majority have the right to remove them. “Difference in playstyle” is a valid reason for a vote dismissal. It would be the same for the other way as well: if a majority wanted to farm chests and intuitions, but Bobby the DPS just wants to speed through.

I want to go into HoH to gain aetherpool and collect chests. That was what the dungeon was created for. It was not created for 10 level speed runs to level your alts. Unfortunately, that was something the community found as a fast way of leveling and that is fine, but that isn't what matched party making is for. You should be creating party finders for this as you are changing the original intent of the dungeon to your playstyle.

This is the definition of party finder. PF is for speedruns/exp farming. You should not be allowed to vote dismiss me from HoH when I'm simply doing the duty as it was created to be done.

You can use Party Finder for what you want to do as well. This street goes both ways.

This is from the NA FFXIV official HoH page:

"While floors up to 30 are related to the story of Heaven-on-High, all floors after were created strictly as a challenge for players."

This does not say anything about speedrunning or exp farming. Again, this isn't to argue about what people are using HoH for. It is to state that I should not be vote dismissed for simply doing what the duty was created for.

It also doesn’t say anything about farming chests or intuitions for the sacks. The only thing this blurb implies is that Floors 1-30 are related to a story about the tower itself. You’re trying to impose a purpose that simply isn’t there.