Square Enix is running out of ideas for raids

[Skiros]

Dang, we have a world first racer here that apparently has cleared all the content.
You godgamer.

No really, you've proven nothing yet, come back after clearing it. Watching others clear it is not the same.
World first races have always been ridiculously fast, they do not represent the average gamer that will likely still take several weeks to clear that.
The only first kill that took a while was Twintania back then and Gordias.

By the way, it's also kinda stupid to assume watching others clear it is not the same once you're an experienced raider. If anything, the fact that veteran players can watch a clear PoV and pretty much half-digest the fight shows how routine, insipid and uninspired these raids are. That is a symptom that they have rehashed the same raid design style and mechanics so often that any veteran player can quickly pick up the gist of a mechanic because they've seen the same thing hundreds of times.

My opinion is unlikely to change within the next few days as I clear this tier.

The typical argument to call for patience before assessing or evaluating a certain aspect of the game is getting real tiring though. You just need to be moderately smart and have some experience in the game to see the issues before you actually experience it for yourself. I've not changed my opinion on Summoner, for instance, because it's awfully obvious from Day 1 that it's going to be a braindead job to anyone with more than a few neurons capable of analyzing the situation for themselves.

You can check back in a few days when I've cleared and I can guarantee you my opinion will not have changed.

[Atreides]

By the way, it's also kinda stupid to assume watching others clear it is not the same once you're an experienced raider. If anything, the fact that veteran players can watch a clear PoV and pretty much half-digest the fight shows how routine, insipid and uninspired these raids are. That is a symptom that they have rehashed the same raid design style and mechanics so often that any veteran player can quickly pick up the gist of a mechanic because they've seen the same thing hundreds of times.

My opinion is unlikely to change within the next few days as I clear this tier.

The typical argument to call for patience before assessing or evaluating a certain aspect of the game is getting real tiring though. You just need to be moderately smart and have some experience in the game to see the issues before you actually experience it for yourself. I've not changed my opinion on Summoner, for instance, because it's awfully obvious from Day 1 that it's going to be a braindead job to anyone with more than a few neurons capable of analyzing the situation for themselves.

It still cheapens the own experience. Watching other streamers clear the content seeing the machanics beforehand is just not everyones thing. I do not judge as plenty people watch other raiding streams and/or guides once they are out.
I'm not saying this is the best tier ever, far from it it does have it's issues but I find those fights fun nonetheless at least from what I've seen in the 2 hours I've been in yet. I migh change my opinion, I'm not saying the tier is good, I just withold my judgement until I've done and seen everything myself.

It's also okay to have a different opinion. The world would be boring if we'd all agree on everything.

In the end the most fun raids are ultimates anyway. Then again I really liked E8S too.

[Skiros]

It still cheapens the own experience. Watching other streamers clear the content seeing the machanics beforehand is just not everyones thing. I do not judge as plenty people watch other raiding streams and/or guides once they are out.
I'm not saying this is the best tier ever, far from it it does have it's issues but I find those fights fun nonetheless at least from what I've seen in the 2 hours I've been in yet. I migh change my opinion, I'm not saying the tier is good, I just withold my judgement until I've done and seen everything myself.

In the end the most fun raids are ultimates anyway. Then again I really liked E8S too.

OK, but that is a moot point because Titan and Halicarnassus were just in every way more creative and interesting than P3S/P4S, blind prog or not. The fact that these two fights are capable of still capturing your interest despite you knowing the mechanics is indicative of SE's success in designing these two fights. They poured in creativity for these fights.

I just simply don't see that in the latest tier. This doesn't change whether it's blind or not. Most of the mechanics in P1S-P3S are pretty much trivial and repetitions of past tiers. Like quickmarch, O6S redux, limit cut dashes in P3S. We pretty much are able to describe every single new mechanic as a past mechanic these days.

[Atreides]

OK, but that is a moot point because Titan and Halicarnassus were just in every way more creative and interesting than P3S/P4S, blind prog or not.

Oh right Halicarnassus I completely agree with. I loved this fight, I'm still sad that they haven't added a harder version of the sandslide gimmick into the Savage version.
Titan was okay in my book.

My only gripe with the current tier so far is the music, I don't like the music in the first two fights at all...

[hfang]

My only gripe with the current tier so far is the music, I don't like the music in the first two fights at all...

While I do think the music in 1 - 3 isn't bad (it reminds me of SMT: Strange Journey a lot, which is a plus), it's just not really what I look for in a raid. I want blood pumping music, some heavy ass drums, not a slow choir. It's a good song, it's just not a good raid song in my book. P4 is much better in that regard

[GarretStrongstaf]

I really hope Square Enix tries harder on creating variety for raids.

Now that Savage is out...

I've seen half of P3S and I watched the P4S clear PoVs from my FC. It's still just not that interesting.

Your post would be more impactful if you

1. At least gave some examples on how raids could made "less stale."
2. Expressed in some way that you have been successful in "Savage" or "Ultimate" content.

Coils had "variety" but there were complaints about that structure from raiders so it was shifted in 3.0. What makes savage engaging are the mechanics, not a new gimmicky set piece. The battle system in FFXIV is deep and the "simple" Square/Circle design allows that system to shine. Some players want to push their knowledge of their kits to the max, not press some random button only available in one fight for one purpose. Thats what the MSQ is for.

More casual content, like EX trials, normal modes, end game dungeons, and alliance raids, those all have elements beyond a "square" or "circle" boss stage and that is likely where this "spice of life" of yours will remain.

[Skiros]

Your post would be more impactful if you

1. At least gave some examples on how raids could made "less stale."
2. Expressed in some way that you have been successful in "Savage" or "Ultimate" content.

Coils had "variety" but there were complaints about that structure from raiders so it was shifted in 3.0. What makes savage engaging are the mechanics, not a new gimmicky set piece. The battle system in FFXIV is deep and the "simple" Square/Circle design allows that system to shine. Some players want to push their knowledge of their kits to the max, not press some random button only available in one fight for one purpose. Thats what the MSQ is for.

More casual content, like EX trials, normal modes, end game dungeons, and alliance raids, those all have elements beyond a "square" or "circle" boss stage and that is likely where this "spice of life" of yours will remain.

- Jobs have been dumbed down so much that it takes zero effort to "push their knowledge of their kits to max" on like 80% of the jobs.
- I truly don't care that much about square or circle boss arenas. The examples that I've listed of Titan or Halicarnassus are both square arenas. The fact that you've fixated on this irrelevant point shows you have no understanding of what makes a raid tier memorable.
- Why do I need to express that I'm successful? What? What does that have to do with Savage lacking creativity? My static is halfway through P3S in 5 hours of progression. That should be enough to convince anyone who knows what they're talking about that I know what I'm talking about. I don't care to dredge up a laundry list of my clears.

[van_arn]

I don’t think Square will ever run out of ideas as long as they have players.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Maybe they should make raids like actual raids like they used to in Coils and Alexander and not make them Glorified Mini-Trials.

[Makeda]

Now that savage is out we will see how good the fight design is. Normal mode is always kind of simple.

As for the plot of the new dungeon. So far I'm very 'meh' on it. But I was feeling even worse about BOTH Omega and Eden at this point, yet thought Alexander was great... by the end I found Eden and Omega to be amazing stories and Alexander had barely any more plot to it than Heaven on High... Completely forgetable.

So I will judge the plot somewhere in the third patch.

And I'll have to defer fight judgement to others because I lack the time to raid this tier and won't get to see savage until way past when it's on farm...