Why does Sage punish you for using your healing spells?

[kizumiayamame]

Why does sage punish you for using healing spells? The way Kardion works is that you ONLY heal when you cast a damage spell. No other healer works like that or has their healing tied to their damage. It's such an unnecessary mechanic that incentivizes healers to make Suboptimal plays. As a former White Mage player (let's not get into the thin air nerfs, shall we) it's incredibly frustrating that sqenix ignores what gameplay feels like for healers. Just make kardion work whenever you cast ANY gcd. I shouldn't be forced to spam damage moves when my tank is dying.

[HyoMinPark]

Sage is meant to be different. It’s not meant to be a WHM clone. Personally, I like being rewarded for dealing damage as a healer—there’s little point in not trying to deal damage when you aren’t trying to heal. And Sage’s personal damage is monstrous.

Sage’s primary heals come from it’s Addersgall stacks, not from Diagnosis/Prognosis or their Eukrasian versions. All of these heals can be weaved between Dosis casts. For a tank in dungeon pulls, Taurochole + Haima is god-tier—and then your passive regen from Kardia will keep them steady in between weaving Druochole on them. On pulls where you don’t have Haima, you can use Panhaima if you’re 80+. It serves the same purpose. Kerachole is 10% damage mitigation, and after level 78 it gains a regen and is absolutely broken—pop it at the start of a pull for regen+mitigation. You can use Physis II to give the tank a regen every 60 seconds on top of your Kardia ticks. At 86, you gain Krasis, which is Nature’s Minne on a 60s CD. Granted, I think you get it a bit too late, but it’s still useful on a tank; and it affects the healing potency of your oGCDs.

If you are reduced to spamming GCDs (Eukrasian Diagnosis is better than Diagnosis, which is less potent than Cure I and unusable in any higher level dungeon) on the tank, then you have an issue that isn’t even related to Sage. Either your tank isn’t popping defensives, or your DPS are failing to kill trash packs fast enough (likely from not AOEing). Sage may have a harder time than other healers in dungeons due to lack of burst healing, but it isn’t bad.


If you don’t like the damage mechanic, then you are free to play the other three healers. But don’t ask to have it removed or altered for those of us who actually like it.

[GarretStrongstaf]

If you are reduced to spamming GCDs (Eukrasian Diagnosis is better than Diagnosis, which is less potent than Cure I and unusable in any higher level dungeon) on the tank, then you have an issue that isn’t even related to Sage. Either your tank isn’t popping defensives, or your DPS are failing to kill trash packs fast enough (likely from not AOEing). Sage may have a harder time than other healers in dungeons due to lack of burst healing, but it isn’t bad.

Thank you for this! ^^ There are a handful of new tanks who think they can get away without using their full kit to mitigate during large pulls and blame the healer when the entire lvl 80 SGE kit fails to keep them up. This is the player who didn't bother to map "Rampart" to their hot bar (or read any of their other tool tips for that matter). I've said this before and I'll say it again: "If it doesn't excite a player to figure out ways to take the least amount of damage possible, then the tank role may not be for them."

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Sage is meant to be different. It’s not meant to be a WHM clone. Personally, I like being rewarded for dealing damage as a healer—there’s little point in not trying to deal damage when you aren’t trying to heal. And Sage’s personal damage is monstrous.

Sage’s primary heals come from it’s Addersgall stacks, not from Diagnosis/Prognosis or their Eukrasian versions. All of these heals can be weaved between Dosis casts. For a tank in dungeon pulls, Taurochole + Haima is god-tier—and then your passive regen from Kardia will keep them steady in between weaving Druochole on them. On pulls where you don’t have Haima, you can use Panhaima if you’re 80+. It serves the same purpose. Kerachole is 10% damage mitigation, and after level 78 it gains a regen and is absolutely broken—pop it at the start of a pull for regen+mitigation. You can use Physis II to give the tank a regen every 60 seconds on top of your Kardia ticks. At 86, you gain Krasis, which is Nature’s Minne on a 60s CD. Granted, I think you get it a bit too late, but it’s still useful on a tank; and it affects the healing potency of your oGCDs.

If you are reduced to spamming GCDs (Eukrasian Diagnosis is better than Diagnosis, which is less potent than Cure I and unusable in any higher level dungeon) on the tank, then you have an issue that isn’t even related to Sage. Either your tank isn’t popping defensives, or your DPS are failing to kill trash packs fast enough (likely from not AOEing). Sage may have a harder time than other healers in dungeons due to lack of burst healing, but it isn’t bad.


If you don’t like the damage mechanic, then you are free to play the other three healers. But don’t ask to have it removed or altered for those of us who actually like it.

It... It's going to take me time to learn all this as I'm too used to White Mage style.

I can see that they really did succeed in making a Healer job that would appeal to DPS Job mainers.

[Vortuna]

Go back to whm for your daily dose of cure 1 spams.

[Bjorn-Kobito]

Go back to whm for your daily dose of cure 1 spams.

Cure 1? You're just as much of a troll as the OP.

[RobynDaBank]

I got the popcorn!!

[MitsukiLily]

I feel you OP, at this point I only queue with my warrior friend or else tanks just die instantly from how low kardion heal is. Like at least astro gets diurnal sect. Add in the fact that soteria is way too short and you just have these weird chunks of your rotation where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Eukrasian Prognosis should grant regen if they're gonna drop the ball after they FINALLY make a new healer class all these years >_>

[Fukuro]

I feel you OP, at this point I only queue with my warrior friend or else tanks just die instantly from how low kardion heal is. Like at least astro gets diurnal sect. Add in the fact that soteria is way too short and you just have these weird chunks of your rotation where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Eukrasian Prognosis should grant regen if they're gonna drop the ball after they FINALLY make a new healer class all these years >_>

I think it is perfectly fine(it needs minor tweaks here and there). It‘s a shield healer, and plays a lot like Scholar and I love it that way. I recommend everyone coming from WHM & AST to look up a healing guide for Sage. It plays differently than a pure healer.


Here is a good healing guide for dungeons:
https://youtu.be/UPjdwUgwncI

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Why does sage punish you for using healing spells? The way Kardion works is that you ONLY heal when you cast a damage spell. No other healer works like that or has their healing tied to their damage. It's such an unnecessary mechanic that incentivizes healers to make Suboptimal plays. As a former White Mage player (let's not get into the thin air nerfs, shall we) it's incredibly frustrating that sqenix ignores what gameplay feels like for healers. Just make kardion work whenever you cast ANY gcd. I shouldn't be forced to spam damage moves when my tank is dying.

How dare they make a unique healer with a differing play style and approach to healing. The audacity of it all. I can’t believe Yoshi P wouldn’t just make WHM 2.0