Alliance roulette changes is needed

[Comfort]

The game has a recommended gear function, not sure why this can't be expanded on for queueing for things like alliance raid roulette to check that what you have equipped is the same or close to your max equippable gear.

Sure there are ways to circumvent this, but I would think it would reduce the amount of players lowering their ilvl with low level gear or unequipping gear.

Irks me to no end when I get CT and I see a person wearing 3 or less gear pieces for their health to shoot up once they equip their full set again.

[hynaku]

My suggestion they just do away with all roulettes since all ones do is complain about them. It's selfish to try force your desires on to everyone because you just don't like something.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Its always the same though, players already fish in msq roulette and toss if they get castrum. If the reward is about the same, why work hard then the minimum.
If the reward is not the same, why not fish for the one that's more effective.

There is changes that could help, like let you sign up for each roulette once per day, rather then as many times as you'd like. Now sure you could technically do it multiple times at this moment but, lets be real no one does the roulette twice. (except for mentor but that's an entirely different can or worms)

This ensures that you could at least stop fishing, the next problem is why is the 50 raids always popping so much. Well ... theres multiple reasons.

- Its the only required raid
- Its the easiest exp/effort
- You can force its with Ilv.
- Due to how our Ally raids scale, everyone that's signs up for roulette is able to run CT, but perhaps due to lv not the other ones ... so it will ALWAYS be bottom heavy.

We don't have info on how the duty finder work it could be trying to fill a party from the bottom or the top, or perhaps it looks at the person who has been in queue the longest and then picks a random raid.

The community is torn here, you have 2 sides ... one is in to get out asap with as much as exp as possible and the other which try to get a random raid to see those raids they have not seen in a while.

If ST takes about 15 min (i could be wrong) and Orobonne could take 30 and has potential wipes (good ol thundergod), but the reward is the same. You can not blame players to ilv cheese if they just want some exp.

My soultion for this would be.

- Harsher ilv scaling in Crystal tower
- Allow players to queue once for an ally raid per day
- Sorting df, to run roulettes at a even split. You might need to remove the highest level raids from roulette for this, because most ppl queue for ally roulette to level ... not to get tomes and yes this would mean that you eventually have to wait for your roulette if your lv 51, and the duty finder is currently trying to fill copied factory for sample.

... Or we move on and accept it is what it is.

[Inzoum]

I’ve given it some thought, and there’s a fair countermeasure that would punish people undergearing on purpose, but not people leveling a new job (including people who’ve just unlocked the latest alliance raid dungeon but don’t quite have the iLvl yet). It essentially goes like this:

1. Disregard alliance dungeons that are above your current job level (don’t want to penalize people who are leveling or haven’t unlocked everything)
2. Take the highest elligible dungeon based on level, and look at its item level requirement
3. If player’s iLvl is more than 60 lower than this, apply a penalty to DR rewards, regardless of which dungeon pops (prompt warning when joining queue)

you could go one step further and apply a debuff to the offending player for all to see, but that’s kinda nasty. SHAME.

Why 60? it’s a pretty good sweet spot to establish “doing it on purpose”. There’s a 70 ilvl difference between Orbone Monastery and The Copied Factory, for example (last one from Stormblood and first one from Shadowbringers, the range will be similar from pne expansion to another) and there’s a 60 ilvl difference between The Copied Factory and the Tower at Paradigm’s Breach. There is 100% zero reason you should not easily get somewhere in-between the moment you reach max level by the time the final alliance raid is released, there’s just SO much crafted gear and dungeon gear that will let you clear that requirement with no effort and minimal costs at that stage.

Sure, people could still queue under the latest alliance raid’s iLvl requirement to skip just THAT set, or arrange their iLvl to only satisfy the first of the latest batch, and that’d be acceptable. It would raise a red flag when they aim for level 50 raids, or anything from past expansions when the new raids get released. Players leveling a job will always be certain to get full rewards (again, unless they’re SEVERELY undergeared, which really there’s no excuse for with all the freebies in old content), and players who are just shy of being able to get into the latest content. Give these people a break, they’re not the ones to blame.

It’s just my two cents.

I’d REALLY love to get solething other than Syrcus Tower for once.

EDIT: another thing that could be introduced in the Duty Finder pairing mechanism is to favour party formation around first-time players for higher-level dungeons first. If someone needs the Nier Automata raids for the first time, have that party be priority formation over someone needing the Ivalice dungeons for the first time. Players undergearing on purpose will likely sit longer as punishment. This can’t be a 100% shift either though, as the Crystal Tower raids are a story requirements and new players need to push through at some point. just make the higher dungeons weigh a little heavier in the balance.

[Gember]

I really do agree with you when it comes down to making changes; but I am a little shaky on the method as to how to actually fix it.


Why the current system is a problem:

The best way to actually enjoy content is to not spam it or feel forced to do it. If the Crystal Tower raids were not 90% of probability in Alliance Rolo; then I believe the content can be more appreciated. If anyone sat back and actually look at the environment of the raids; the artwork of the CT raids is absolutely stunning regardless being older content. The lore of the CT is very important to the MSQ. (I won't share spoilers here.) Any actual new sprout can be in awe from it all if they take the game in at a good pace. However I learned even a sprout can't really sit back at times in alliance rolos because everyone is trying to get through the raids asap. Many tanks pull with people watching cut scenes, not much communication is going on, or that people are just rude in general because they have to deal with the crystal tower raids so much that its ruining everyone's experience. This also applies to the higher level alliance raids that don't give extra experience, and its so much longer to get through. It just makes people grumpy because its all unbalanced.

My take on the solution:

I think dealing with ilvl stuff isn't the right course of action here. Recently they put in a "Limited Leveling Roulette" for dungeons if your party is homemade. (Meaning it doesn't work with random players.) That would basically limit which dungeon you'll get thrown into by 10 levels based on the lowest level person in your group. However this method would not really work with alliance raids since it requires 24 people.

I propose since they CAN restrict content; is to have an "opt out option". Meaning any player can choose if they want to do CT or not in rolos. However there would have to be a rule so sprouts don't get left in the dust. If there is a new player in need to do a alliance raid to progress through the story; that would be the only reason why players would get a CT raid even if they chose to opt out. It would never be a CT raid full of end game players unless the player did not choose to opt out of it.

As for the higher alliance raids; they can boost the experience for each of them enough where its worth going through it. Any alliance raid in rolos will get the same base tomes and experience for completion; but each boss fight can reward more tomes and exp based on the level of the raid.

This would be a win win situation for all groups. For those who do not want to be spammed with the same raid over and over again, for those looking for a quick alliance rolo to plow through, for those who want to be rewarded better on higher end content, and for the sprouts who need to progress.

Please let me know if you think this would be good or not. I been thinking about this solution for a while but never expressed it.

[WhimsicalPacifist]

Regarding whether or not iLVL cheese is a problem, there's a way to find out definitively:

On FFXIVCollect there are 98% of people tracked with World of Darkness unlocked; the same percentage as Labyrinth of the Ancients. Only 86% of people have unlocked Copied Factory. Copied Factory should therefore pop at a lower rate than the ARR raids. However what should pop at a roughly equivalent rate is World of Darkness compared to Labyrinth of the Ancients.

Hypothesis: Labyrinth of the Ancients pops at a statistically higher rate than World of Darkness as there is a lower min cheesable iLVL for LOA compared to WOD.

[Ryo-ohki]

100% made an acct with the forum to post something about this and seen its already posted. im here to add into this in hopes something is done about it because, i too tire of doing CT/ST. i want to do more higher tier runs like nier or whatever that matches my level.

[bonnily2]

Agreed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...hate_ridorana/

Threads like this are common on Reddit.

This is my first time coming here to provide a feedback. I think it is very important SquareEnix see how people are struggling to complete these older raids due to bad actors unequipping their gear and selfishly forcing everyone who does Alliance Raid Roulette into the Crystal Tower raids.

[faerieflare]

Agreed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...hate_ridorana/

Threads like this are common on Reddit.

This is my first time coming here to provide a feedback. I think it is very important SquareEnix see how people are struggling to complete these older raids due to bad actors unequipping their gear and selfishly forcing everyone who does Alliance Raid Roulette into the Crystal Tower raids.

Holy sh*t hahaha I never knew people took it to such an extent! I always queued for Alliance Roulette and mostly I got ARR's, but I never knew that this happened because this kind of people did this on purpose. I thought every1 was just around level 50ish and climbing to 60 on their alt classes. That aside yes I just realized I never got a single Nier Alliance Raid from roulette during my climb to 90 from 80ish from my alt classes.

[alilacia]

Partner and were talking about this recently after getting another level 50 alliance raid in a row (several rows, tbh). Just make it so whatever gear you had on when you land is what you do the raid in. No item swaps of any kind. Any gear that you get which is better (unlikely, considering I can't remember the last time I saw anyone actually on level for these, much less rolling for the loot) can be equipped when done and outside the instance.