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    Really liking Sage but...

    Would it be possible to swap our healing spell effects. Could it be a barrier / small heal first and a pure heal next after using Eurkrasia?

    I ask cause I'm very reaction based and I wait till I see the enemy casting something and as a controller player by the time I scroll to the tank then hit Eurkrasia and then the Barrier the enemy has already cast the spell.

    Or make Eurkrasia a toggle or stance like effect? Just spouting ideas at this point.
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    Larek Darkholme
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    If you are more reaction based, then barrier healer is probably not ideal for you because your role is to mitigate damage.
    Have you tried WHM and AST?
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    Would it be possible to swap our healing spell effects. Could it be a barrier / small heal first and a pure heal next after using Eurkrasia?

    I ask cause I'm very reaction based and I wait till I see the enemy casting something and as a controller player by the time I scroll to the tank then hit Eurkrasia and then the Barrier the enemy has already cast the spell.

    Or make Eurkrasia a toggle or stance like effect? Just spouting ideas at this point.
    Why aren't you hitting Eukrasia while scrolling to get to the tank? Or before you begin scrolling? I use M/KB so im not suyre if maybe theres a bind conflict going on for that.

    Even more reason for Healer DPS buttons to have built in <tt> effects though, I never run into this issue because i use a <tt> macro for DPS so I'm never NOT targetting the Tank.

    I also don't really have issues with seeing a Buster in progress and double tapping for E-Diag before it goes off. I actually have more success at this than i do with Adloq because the combined cast for E-Diag is 1 second (Eukrasia -> Instant E-Diag) compared to the 2 second cast for Adloq to be applied.
    I also get Kerachole and E-Prog off on the party just in time too, where I'm more used to Succor landing a touch late if i started the cast at the same moment during the incoming damage windup.

    Funnily, Eukrasia working the way it does has made my Scholar feel really awkward by comparison. Way too used to the absolute freedom of movement Sage has. Lost count of the times Ill stop, cast Adloq and it be interrupted because the server thought i was still moving.
    All the healers feel a bit awkward to play for me after Sage tbh though >_>

    Something you could try though is creating a Target macro for your hotbar to switch your target to the Tank (Either by using Party Member# or "Target of Target") so that you have a dedicated hotbar button for targetting a Tank instead of needing to cycle through the list every time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Why aren't you hitting Eukrasia while scrolling to get to the tank? Or before you begin scrolling? I use M/KB so im not suyre if maybe theres a bind conflict.
    You cant scroll party list and use actions like eukrasia or draw at the same time. They're either gonna lock on your current target (unlocking from the mob you wanna attack) or the cursor will just disappear. The only way to deal with it is to macro or eukrasia before scroll or losing DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya View Post
    You cant scroll party list and use actions like eukrasia or draw at the same time. They're either gonna lock on your current target (unlocking from the mob you wanna attack) or the cursor will just disappear. The only way to deal with it is to macro or eukrasia before scroll or losing DPS.
    you can still scroll the party list while you cast dosis/malefic before using eukrasia or draw. a whole gcd is plenty of time



    and to OP: if the tank didnt die from the lack of shield, what even is the point of shielding in the first place? soteria/druochole/taurochole after the buster is both"reactive" and also more than enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    you can still scroll the party list while you cast dosis/malefic before using eukrasia or draw. a whole gcd is plenty of time
    You miss the point.
    Yes i can scroll the party before the GCD ends but this will result in the cursor resetting (losing soft lock on) the moment I press Eukrasia (which is step 1 of a 2 step process) unless you hard lock-on onto the person you want to shield which causes you to lose aim from the mob. Yes, you can just hold a trigger and press a bumper and most of the time you're gonna lock back onto whatever you were aiming at but this makes it just unnecessarily clunky when most healing just requires a soft lock-on. This is probably what OP is referring to.

    It doesn't bother me personally just explaining it to a fellow M&KB user how certain gameplay mechanics don't translate well to controller.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burningskull View Post
    Would it be possible to swap our healing spell effects. Could it be a barrier / small heal first and a pure heal next after using Eurkrasia?

    I ask cause I'm very reaction based and I wait till I see the enemy casting something and as a controller player by the time I scroll to the tank then hit Eurkrasia and then the Barrier the enemy has already cast the spell.

    Or make Eurkrasia a toggle or stance like effect? Just spouting ideas at this point.
    Generally, barrier healers are more proactive in healing versus reactive—since the entire purpose of them is to mitigate incoming damage versus just raw healing through it. If you want to learn how to play them effectively, you are going to have to learn how to heal/mitigate in a proactive fashion.

    That said, your oGCDs are more than enough to use in most content. Rarely will you need to use your Eukrasian shields over an oGCD.
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    Have you considered trying to use Target Select vs. Target Circle?

    You can cycle and perform actions at the same time. Change your filter to enemies so you can cancel your target, press X And it’ll re-target the boss. I can react pretty easily since the tank is literally one or two taps down.

    *Sees red* -> Tap Eukrasia -> Tap down -> Tap Diagnosis.
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    Play controller as well, found macro'ing <t> and <tt> to skills super helpful, I personally have them on my dps skills so I can just target the tank or someone in party while being able to hit boss or w/e they are bashing. But you can also pop those macros on heals so you can keep target of enemies and heal whoever they are attacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanayumi View Post
    Play controller as well, found macro'ing <t> and <tt> to skills super helpful, I personally have them on my dps skills so I can just target the tank or someone in party while being able to hit boss or w/e they are bashing. But you can also pop those macros on heals so you can keep target of enemies and heal whoever they are attacking.
    I would really recommend not using any macros at all—but especially not to macro your heals. Macros do not queue like normal skills in this game, and there are inherent delays with them because they cannot queue with normal abilities. A delay in a heal caused by the way the macro system works is far more detrimental.

    The only macros that are really recommended are mouse over macros for things like AST cards or SCH’s Fae Union, and a raise macro. Otherwise, they aren’t that recommended, and are likely to be more of a hindrance than a help.
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