"Free Company Houses" should not exist, or at least be re-defined

[Terin]

I'm going to be real with you guys; I am actually currently guilty of this. However, I recognize it is an issue that the Devs honestly need to address.

I think most people are aware of the issues of "Free Company houses". If you're not, let me explain; currently, you can own a "Private estate" and ALSO have a "Free Company estate" if you are the head of a Free Company.

Now, some players will "sell" Free Companies that have a House. So it's effectively "selling a house". That's not what I did, and truthfully, I actually don't consider that the real problem.

The REAL problem, is that it effectively allows players to "own two houses". So, technically one is Private and the other is Free Company, but the distinction is largely irrelevant.

Now, what about "legit" Free Companies wanting their own House?

My solution is simple; allow the FC Leader (or anyone with Housing permissions) to mark any one member's house as the "Free Company estate". Everyone in the FC gets the option to teleport there, exactly the same as currently allows.

The difference is, there's still an actual OWNER, which is a Character.

So it's not so much a "Free Company house", so much as a "Free Company meeting-place".

This is obviously an important distinction, but doesn't REALLY have a terribly large impact. The biggest impact is that it would (theoretically) allow Private owners to participate in things like "building airships/submersibles".

The payoff?

Well, a TON of houses come up on the market.

Now, I'm not suggesting we screw FC's out of their houses; rather, upon logging in, the FC leader would have to assign who gets ownership. If they ALSO own a Private estate, then they either grant ownership to someone else in the FC, or they forfeit either the FC or their private estate, which obviously goes up for the next raffle.

But I can tell you, there are a lot of players who "own two houses", which is what drove me to also do it. I don't necessarily "support" it, but if it's being allowed, well, it's nice to have a place in Mist and Shirogane, and decorate them differently.

But I 100% support this change, even if it means literally losing one of my houses. Because frankly, I think it IS a form of abusing a loophole, and as long as no one else is able to abuse the same "loophole", those houses really SHOULD be going to other players.

[NanaWiloh]

As a FC leader I will say no. You are taking away the right of the home onwer to decide if others can or cant tp directly to their home.

[Terin]

As a FC leader I will say no. You are taking away the right of the home onwer to decide if others can or cant tp directly to their home.

It would require some minor tweaks, sure, but I would still maintain all of the FC-housing features, simply offer them to Personal houses, too.

So as an FC leader, you would be able to set your house as the "FC house", so everyone could teleport there still. Actually, you would have MORE options, because if you know one of your officers has a really cool house they spend a ton of time decorating, you could offer to flag THEIR house as the "FC house", so everyone would teleport there instead. If they left the FC, then you would just mark someone else's house (or your own) as the FC house.

[Nafreyu]

I agree it's unfortunate guild houses still only truly hold creative license to the one who owns the plot.

I also think that all guild houses should be M or L and editable trusted ranks set above whatever threshold a FC leader wishes, and that FC housing should be in their own ward away from standard house plots but it's an absolute mess of a system. It is what it is and I don't see it ever changing.

[LianaThorne]

As a FC leader I will say no. You are taking away the right of the home onwer to decide if others can or cant tp directly to their home.

No because this. If everyone else can own their own private estate, why shouldn't FC leaders? FC estates is shared property basically, you can't lock the doors and keep your FC members out. Everyone should have the ability to have their own form of privacy.

[Terin]

No because this. If everyone else can own their own private estate, why shouldn't FC leaders? FC estates is shared property basically, you can't lock the doors and keep your FC members out. Everyone should have the ability to have their own form of privacy.

I mean... FC houses are literally no different, other than setting permissions. You could have the same permissions, or even more extensive if need be. At the end of the day, the FC house isn't *really* shared property, because the FC only has the permissions granted by the FC leader, which can be given or taken away at their discretion. No reason that would change at all.

The ONLY difference is that FC leaders would not own separate houses; thus if you DO own a private estate AND a FC estate, you would either give one of them up, or give the FC estate to a trusted member. And if you don't have a member you would trust enough to give the estate to... well, that sounds kind of like a "second house" for you.

[Arillyn]

This pops up periodically. I get it - there isn't enough housing. The answer isn't taking housing away from anyone - it's SE FIXING their housing so anyone who wants a house can have one.

But if the player base wants to make the case for taking away housing ownership from anyone - it should be personal houses getting the boot and FC housing stays. And this is me saying that as an owner of a personal house. FC housing gives more people access to housing because multiple people are sharing and using that house - in some cases hundreds of people for the really large FCs.

Also, some wards come 6.1 will be FC housing only per Yoshi (I don't remember if it was a live letter or during the digital fanfest where he stated that). So no, they aren't going to take away FC housing.

[Brightamethyst]

FC estates is shared property basically, you can't lock the doors and keep your FC members out.

You can, in fact, lock the doors and keep your FC members out. "Estate access" is a rank setting. There's nothing stopping someone from doing this.

[NegativeS]

I feel like the entire housing system needs to be reworked.

[NanaWiloh]

You can, in fact, lock the doors and keep your FC members out. "Estate access" is a rank setting. There's nothing stopping someone from doing this.

That permission no longer works with FC members. FC leads were abusing it keep FC members with rooms trapped in the FC.