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    Jinno's Avatar
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    Jacket Voneveric
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    Pugilist Lv 77

    Help to those wasting time trying to love changes they didn't want

    I spent a lot of time trying to like monk and have finally found a solution.

    Many monk mains ( I mean mains not ''I run a roulette every other week'' ) are probably wondering.... I haven't made a single mistake on rotation in like 4 or 5 trials / dungeons. I'm... bored. Why?

    New beast gauge is a static rotation recorder.

    Monk prior to this ran a static rotation with fast speed, off the gcds AND positional.

    Monk now runs a static rotation with fast speed and off the gcds. People who don't believe me try putting your beast gauge off in the corner using hud layout. Now run your STATIC rotation double phoenix opener. Yep, class is identical to pre endwalker except no positional.

    The people on the forums acting like all these classes getting easier and easier to play and even more importantly becoming more and more like each other with less identity really need to think about the next expansion. There is a point where even you will become bored with your favorite class and you're next.

    The summoner is particularly unfortunate. Maybe the bard is worse.

    I found enjoyment playing on controller to make things a bit more busy and trying other classes like red mage and dragoon.

    Class design is like the only point of contention for most on this expansion so maybe we could just enjoy the great music and story for a while longer but hey... express yourself. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinno View Post
    I spent a lot of time trying to like monk… the summoner is particularly unfortunate. Maybe the bard is worse.
    My favorite three jobs this expansion are the Monk, Summoner, and Bard, lol. I like things simple in my old age!!
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    Nia Niyah
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    Hyperion
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Awarewolf View Post
    My favorite three jobs this expansion are the Monk, Summoner, and Bard, lol. I like things simple in my old age!!
    I personally wouldnt say bard got much easier, you still snapshot your dots and tbh it feels busier than before. just less clunky
    Though this is always subjective. i find monk hard to play personally because im not a melee player
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    OtakuSempai's Avatar
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    Corvus Marcellus
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    Exodus
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Awarewolf View Post
    My favorite three jobs this expansion are the Monk, Summoner, and Bard, lol. I like things simple in my old age!!
    If only they had most of SMN abilities as traits so you just have to target the boss. That will reduce the barrier to entry even more and would be even better for the game.

    That is until they implement automatic loot after zoning in to an instance, which is sorely needed at this point. No point in pressing buttons for a few mins just to get the glams we want.
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    Miawkwa Fletcher
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    Golem
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Monk is bland.

    I wanted to quit it but I adore it’s aesthetic too much to put it down, I’ll admit. My glams and main is somewhat centered around the job at this point.

    I’m deriving a small amount of enjoyment from re-learning it and trying it in extreme content but -

    It’s just kinda boring now with a simplified play style.

    At least the casuals are enjoying it.
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    Nafreyu's Avatar
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    Laethoran Arventi
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    Sophia
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    Bard Lv 90
    Actually, BRD is better.
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    Dal S'ta
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    Gilgamesh
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    Bard Lv 97
    Haven't had an issue with either Bard or Summoner so far. Definitely not "boring", so I suspect OP has a greatly different idea about boredom.

    SMN took some time getting used to the new rotations, but it isn't like it was ever more than 'hit the pretty proc'd icon' for more damage before. Akh-Morn is a wonder to behold against same-level foes.

    BRD is a bit more 'hit the pretty proc'd icon', but now ... songs! They buff the Bard as well as the rest of the party. O frabjous day! < and there was much chortling >

    Getting bored with a class just, well, it happens. That's why leveling more than one job via MSQ and side-quest works so well. At least we don't have to level each job on a separate character -- just remembering leveling every single WoW job (both Alliance and Horde side) to level 110 on different characters was a lesson in boredom.
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    Shuuli Vondael
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Haven't had an issue with either Bard or Summoner so far. Definitely not "boring", so I suspect OP has a greatly different idea about boredom.

    SMN took some time getting used to the new rotations, but it isn't like it was ever more than 'hit the pretty proc'd icon' for more damage before. Akh-Morn is a wonder to behold against same-level foes.

    BRD is a bit more 'hit the pretty proc'd icon', but now ... songs! They buff the Bard as well as the rest of the party. O frabjous day! < and there was much chortling >

    Getting bored with a class just, well, it happens. That's why leveling more than one job via MSQ and side-quest works so well. At least we don't have to level each job on a separate character -- just remembering leveling every single WoW job (both Alliance and Horde side) to level 110 on different characters was a lesson in boredom.
    I am a summoner main myself and ran the two extreme trials for mount farming with summoner only... (with a few exception of scholar on the first trial). And oh boi does it get boring to spam summoner rotation... and our dmg is so poor i feel bad for my team... but its fine cause at least i know the mechanics

    With summoner you basically click the same 2 button on trials all the time, besides the times when you activate your summones and put on your added dmg or shield abilities...
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    It’s never about the mains, it’s always about catering to the lowest common denominator. People that want the jobs to play itself, people that don’t want to learn people that don’t even like the job based on very shallow statistics.

    This is a scourge of a mindsey
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    Tolo Rewd
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    Spriggan
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    It’s never about the mains, it’s always about catering to the lowest common denominator. People that want the jobs to play itself, people that don’t want to learn people that don’t even like the job based on very shallow statistics.

    This is a scourge of a mindsey
    I wonder who is next. 5.0 was tanks, healers and MCH. 6.0 was SMN and some simple jobs were made even simpler and more foolproof like DNC. Who's gonna be the next victim in 7.0?
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