Endwalker White Mage has Issues

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

In that situation, IMO WHM actually has the best chances of dealing with such a pull. Why? Holy. I don't know if the WHM used it, but it is what makes WHM the best (easiest) dungeon healer by far.

For the other healers, I think SCH and AST could probably survive that situation as well, but with more effort needed (and I'm not sure if SCH would make it mana-wise). SGE would have (IMO) no chance in hell with the limited spells they have at that level (Kardia, Soteria, (E) Diagnosis, Physis, Druochole).

WHM has issues, definitely. But there's no need to downplay it's strengths either.

In those situations:
SCH has

• Constant embraces
• Whispering Dawn
• Illumination, boosts fairy's Embrace & SCH's Adlos when needed.
• Obviously Adlo itself and its critlo probability.
• Three Lustrates. They heal great deal of health at that level range. Aetherflow is also keeping their MP healthy alongside Lucid.
• Save when needing to Adlo, SCH can constantly slap the ground, helping the party to melt the mobs faster.

AST has

• Essential Dignity. This heals tanks to almost, if not full at that level range when used properly.
• Asp Benefic.
• Asp Helios, which can be stacked on tank with Asp Benefic for the beefy regen, prolonging the 'safe period' where you can keep spamming Gravities.
• Cards to buff DPSes & keeps their MP healthy if they need to start spamming Benefic II. If that's even needed at all.
• Obviously Benefic II itself.

SGE has

• Constant Kardion heals.
• Soteria
• Physis
• Three Druochole, same deal with SCH's Lustrates. They will also very likely to gain the 4th in the same pull.
• Their addersgall usage keeps their MP healthy.
• Phlegma. Two strong AoE to help melt the enemies & is entirely mobile like their spammable AoE shower.
• E.Diagnosis and its crit chance.

WHM has

• Holy, coupled with PoM possibly.
• Regen
• Cure II
• Freecure...?
• MP? Just Lucid, nothing else.

Nobody's really "downplaying" WHM's capabilities, it's just how noticeable the stark disadvantage WHM have in that specific level range. No matter how you put it, WHM will always be the first healer who has to lose something sooner when compared to other healers.

[Sarim]

In those situations:

Nobody's really "downplaying" WHM's capabilities, it's just how noticeable the stark disadvantage WHM have in that specific level range. No matter how you put it, WHM will always be the first healer who has to lose something sooner when compared to other healers.

Well SCH sure has Aetherflow. But you will probably use it early in the fight, to even have access to your lustrates. Meaning you won't have it after that, so no mana recovery for you, sorry (assuming you started with fairly full mana, its even wasted). Unless the fight lasts longer than 60s. And I'm not sure I would want to rely on crit adlos tbh.

AST can use Lightspeed and lower mana costs, and get some mana back using card draws (and if you're so daring that you actually switch to a different player to play the card, when your tank's life is on the line, you have my admiration)! ED is nice sure, but again its on a 40s CD. I'm not sure if I would be casting Asp. Helios in a tight situation just to get higher regen ticks...not sure it would help enough to be worth the trouble/time.

SGE won't be dpsing because well, tight situation and you have to keep your tank up! So...do you cast a dps spell for a measly 170 potency heal (? not sure exact amount at that level, but even with Soteria its not that much better), or a real heal spell? I know which I would use. So forget about those Kardion ticks. Druochole is nice, yes. And against many mobs the fight will probably be long enough to get a fourth one, true. But still, beyond that you will have to spam (E.) Diagnosis and hope for the best.

WHM only has regen and cure II, true. And while Holy helps a lot, if your tank pulls that much (and your DPS cannot keep up), then the WHM will have to fall back on those two heals and Lucid after the third Holy and hope for the best.

Again, I'm not saying WHM is super and everything is great, I would also love to have more tools available earlier. But there is no real "disadvantage" in this situation. The WHM has the tools to overcome the situation, and IMO it can even do so better than some of the other healers.

[Silver-Strider]

In that situation, IMO WHM actually has the best chances of dealing with such a pull. Why? Holy. I don't know if the WHM used it, but it is what makes WHM the best (easiest) dungeon healer by far.

For the other healers, I think SCH and AST could probably survive that situation as well, but with more effort needed (and I'm not sure if SCH would make it mana-wise). SGE would have (IMO) no chance in hell with the limited spells they have at that level (Kardia, Soteria, (E) Diagnosis, Physis, Druochole).

WHM has issues, definitely. But there's no need to downplay it's strengths either.

Holy is a band-aid and doesn't solve the issue, it only helps to cover up the flaw that low level WHM has nothing to help it heal with when crap hits the fan. Yes, it's a great skill but the fact was that I doubt the tank would've survived if the WHM stopped to use Holy at all. I did see they had to burn Swiftcast on Cure 2 just to keep the Tank alive mid transit on the pull after the 2nd boss and there wasn't really time to cast holy with the volume of enemies. The 1st pull they might have been able to use a Swiftcast holy but I don't expect a new player to really pull off something like that. One of the most common pieces of advice new players receive for Healers is to not DPS until you feel comfortable doing so, so I can't fault them for not using Holy.

As for the other healers, SCH has Aetherflow at that level so they'd have less MP issues then WHM.
SGE can heal on the go so it kind of comes down to how much the SGE can switch between rotating DPS and heals

[Sarim]

Holy is a band-aid and doesn't solve the issue, it only helps to cover up the flaw that low level WHM has nothing to help it heal with when crap hits the fan. Yes, it's a great skill but the fact was that I doubt the tank would've survived if the WHM stopped to use Holy at all. I did see they had to burn Swiftcast on Cure 2 just to keep the Tank alive mid transit on the pull after the 2nd boss and there wasn't really time to cast holy with the volume of enemies. The 1st pull they might have been able to use a Swiftcast holy but I don't expect a new player to really pull off something like that. One of the most common pieces of advice new players receive for Healers is to not DPS until you feel comfortable doing so, so I can't fault them for not using Holy.

As for the other healers, SCH has Aetherflow at that level so they'd have less MP issues then WHM.
SGE can heal on the go so it kind of comes down to how much the SGE can switch between rotating DPS and heals

You are right in that Holy is a bandaid really. And I think it's the big thing that keeps the devs from making any significant changes to WHM. But still, as long as its there, it will give WHM the edge over the other healers in a situation as you described.

[Azurarok]

Also tanks have to watch when to use short cooldowns like Arm's Length or TBN, and them and melee won't be able to use Low Blow/Leg Sweep to stop an AoE once the mob's immune to stun

[ManaSel]

Holy is an absolute monster in Aurum Vale. WHM absolutely has issues but for the most part using Regen while pulling and proceeding to Holy spam right from the get go is very good. If the tank is losing too much HP during Holy spam you can cast Cure 2 between the Holy stuns. If the WHM wasn't spamming Holy they were not doing everything within their power to keep the tank alive.

That said WHM absolutely needs improvements for low levels but trash pulls should not be that much of an issue at that point when Holy exists. If they were spamming Holy and the trash pull managed to last long enough or the tank still took too much damage than someone else was doing something wrong and other healers would have likely struggled as well.

[Silver-Strider]

Holy is an absolute monster in Aurum Vale. WHM absolutely has issues but for the most part using Regen while pulling and proceeding to Holy spam right from the get go is very good. If the tank is losing too much HP during Holy spam you can cast Cure 2 between the Holy stuns. If the WHM wasn't spamming Holy they were not doing everything within their power to keep the tank alive.

That said WHM absolutely needs improvements for low levels but trash pulls should not be that much of an issue at that point when Holy exists. If they were spamming Holy and the trash pull managed to last long enough or the tank still took too much damage than someone else was doing something wrong and other healers would have likely struggled as well.

Assuming the exact same scenario on all healers, minus any AoE casts, I think SGE would have an equally difficult time as WHM, while AST and SCH would have slightly easier times.

A SCH has free regen via embrace, with Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination and Lustrates to help offset their Addlo spam.

An AST has cheaper spells to WHM on top of ED so the same scenario would have much less of an affect on AST's MP, even if they fully ignore their cards.

SGE would have Physis and Druochole, which would help with their MP but the lack of their regen via Kardia (and by extension Soteria) would keep whatever benefits they had to a minimal.

Here's something to consider though. WHM used to have Divine Seal for Aurum Vale. All the way up to SB, they had it in one form or another and it wasn't until ShB that they locked it behind level 80 as Temperance. While Largesse was also available to SCH and AST, the fact is they never really had access to it prior to SB and thus were never impacted by its removal at lower levels whereas it does negatively impact WHM because they used to have it at those levels and don't any more. Simply returning Divine Seal as a low level version of Temperance would at least offset that experience without really affecting the overall balance of the game. It would make the level 71-80 grind on WHM slightly more forgiving but that's the only area of the game it would affect and really, WHM didn't have any problem with that level range to start with so it wouldn't really matter there.

[Deceptus]

After the reduction of the filler spell GCD to 1.5s, Pressence of Mind is pretty useless outside of Rez (maybe holy spam)

[Charganium]

After the reduction of the filler spell GCD to 1.5s, Pressence of Mind is pretty useless outside of Rez (maybe holy spam)

Recast is still 2.5 so PoM serves the same function as before.