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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarim View Post
    In that situation, IMO WHM actually has the best chances of dealing with such a pull. Why? Holy. I don't know if the WHM used it, but it is what makes WHM the best (easiest) dungeon healer by far.

    For the other healers, I think SCH and AST could probably survive that situation as well, but with more effort needed (and I'm not sure if SCH would make it mana-wise). SGE would have (IMO) no chance in hell with the limited spells they have at that level (Kardia, Soteria, (E) Diagnosis, Physis, Druochole).

    WHM has issues, definitely. But there's no need to downplay it's strengths either.
    In those situations:
    SCH has
    • Constant embraces
    • Whispering Dawn
    • Illumination, boosts fairy's Embrace & SCH's Adlos when needed.
    • Obviously Adlo itself and its critlo probability.
    • Three Lustrates. They heal great deal of health at that level range. Aetherflow is also keeping their MP healthy alongside Lucid.
    • Save when needing to Adlo, SCH can constantly slap the ground, helping the party to melt the mobs faster.

    AST has
    • Essential Dignity. This heals tanks to almost, if not full at that level range when used properly.
    • Asp Benefic.
    • Asp Helios, which can be stacked on tank with Asp Benefic for the beefy regen, prolonging the 'safe period' where you can keep spamming Gravities.
    • Cards to buff DPSes & keeps their MP healthy if they need to start spamming Benefic II. If that's even needed at all.
    • Obviously Benefic II itself.

    SGE has
    • Constant Kardion heals.
    • Soteria
    • Physis
    • Three Druochole, same deal with SCH's Lustrates. They will also very likely to gain the 4th in the same pull.
    • Their addersgall usage keeps their MP healthy.
    • Phlegma. Two strong AoE to help melt the enemies & is entirely mobile like their spammable AoE shower.
    • E.Diagnosis and its crit chance.

    WHM has
    • Holy, coupled with PoM possibly.
    • Regen
    • Cure II
    • Freecure...?
    • MP? Just Lucid, nothing else.

    Nobody's really "downplaying" WHM's capabilities, it's just how noticeable the stark disadvantage WHM have in that specific level range. No matter how you put it, WHM will always be the first healer who has to lose something sooner when compared to other healers.
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    Kavarai Tumani
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    In those situations:

    Nobody's really "downplaying" WHM's capabilities, it's just how noticeable the stark disadvantage WHM have in that specific level range. No matter how you put it, WHM will always be the first healer who has to lose something sooner when compared to other healers.
    Well SCH sure has Aetherflow. But you will probably use it early in the fight, to even have access to your lustrates. Meaning you won't have it after that, so no mana recovery for you, sorry (assuming you started with fairly full mana, its even wasted). Unless the fight lasts longer than 60s. And I'm not sure I would want to rely on crit adlos tbh.

    AST can use Lightspeed and lower mana costs, and get some mana back using card draws (and if you're so daring that you actually switch to a different player to play the card, when your tank's life is on the line, you have my admiration)! ED is nice sure, but again its on a 40s CD. I'm not sure if I would be casting Asp. Helios in a tight situation just to get higher regen ticks...not sure it would help enough to be worth the trouble/time.

    SGE won't be dpsing because well, tight situation and you have to keep your tank up! So...do you cast a dps spell for a measly 170 potency heal (? not sure exact amount at that level, but even with Soteria its not that much better), or a real heal spell? I know which I would use. So forget about those Kardion ticks. Druochole is nice, yes. And against many mobs the fight will probably be long enough to get a fourth one, true. But still, beyond that you will have to spam (E.) Diagnosis and hope for the best.

    WHM only has regen and cure II, true. And while Holy helps a lot, if your tank pulls that much (and your DPS cannot keep up), then the WHM will have to fall back on those two heals and Lucid after the third Holy and hope for the best.

    Again, I'm not saying WHM is super and everything is great, I would also love to have more tools available earlier. But there is no real "disadvantage" in this situation. The WHM has the tools to overcome the situation, and IMO it can even do so better than some of the other healers.
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